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I have no ethnic background or history that is Orthodox or EC. Yet I love the way EC explain their spirituality and the sights and sounds of the DL.
I feel like it’s not right for me to start attending a UGCC that has people’s parts in Ukrainian and many parishoners are from Ukraine or of Ukrainian descent. I have no EC or Orthodox blood in me – my ancestors were Latin Catholics, protestants, or pagans. In some respects I feel like I am turning my back on the Latin church even though EC are part of Catholic church.
Also wondering if there would ever be an American Byzantine church or will EC’s eventually fade away in US?
Anyone else have these thoughts?
 
I have no ethnic background or history that is Orthodox or EC. Yet I love the way EC explain their spirituality and the sights and sounds of the DL.
I feel like it’s not right for me to start attending a UGCC that has people’s parts in Ukrainian and many parishoners are from Ukraine or of Ukrainian descent. I have no EC or Orthodox blood in me – my ancestors were Latin Catholics, protestants, or pagans. In some respects I feel like I am turning my back on the Latin church even though EC are part of Catholic church.
Also wondering if there would ever be an American Byzantine church or will EC’s eventually fade away in US?
Anyone else have these thoughts?
Appearances to the contrary, the church is not an ethnic club. What intimidates you is the name on the door, but go in anyway.

I don’t know your particular background, but you might have butterflies going into an all Polish parish, or an all Mexican parish, or an all African-American parish if this is something you are not used to.

Try to overcome this anxiety, the eastern churches are open to all, as many Latin Catholics have learned. You will probably meet some fellow sojourners once inside.

If you want an opinion (not that it should be me telling you this, and your mileage may vary), I* think* that the most ‘Americanized’ of the set would be the BCC, the Byzantine Catholic Metropolia. It was originally composed of immigrants from many places, like Hungary and Slovakia, Ukraine and Poland. But in truth most of these families have been in the USA for five generations, some perhaps much more (immigration in large numbers seems to have stopped long ago), and due to intermarriage (plus past sojourners like yourself) it is not uncommon to see any combination of German, English, Spanish, Italian and Irish surnames among them. Their liturgy is normally in the vernacular.

If you are fortunate enough to be near a Russian Catholic parish (not too many around), I think that probably you will find most of the parishioners in these small congregations are not in fact Russian these days.

You will definitely enjoy the customs … especially around Holy Week and Pascha … and the people are very friendly and warm toward visitors (at least from my experience).
 
Its important to respect the ethnic heritage of each Church. A wise man once told me, everyone’s invited to this banquet. Do not take the food that is already there away, but feel free to add what you brought to the table.

My parish is the same. Everyone is Ukrainian. There is literally a handful of whom are not Ukrainian decent. Yet I haven’t yet been made to feel like an outsider.
 
As far as I know, my ancestry is western European, with a little Native American (1/32). My father’s family was Pentecostal, while my mother’s family was Southern Baptist. I became Eastern Catholic several years ago. I am very comfortable with being Eastern Catholic. There has never been an issue of being made to feel like an outsider because I’m not of a traditionally EC or EO background.
 
**>>I have no ethnic background or history that is Orthodox or EC. Yet I love the way EC explain their spirituality and the sights and sounds of the DL. **
Hello! A friend sent me the link to this thread after noticing your location. This is a very common experience. You’ll find many who share it at St. Sophia’s.

**>>I feel like it’s not right for me to start attending a UGCC that has people’s parts in Ukrainian and many parishioners are from Ukraine or of Ukrainian descent. **
What about it seems not right? Is it that it feels fake, as if you’re putting on a costume that doesn’t belong to you? The way I think of it is that I’m showing respect for those who have gone before me and have made it possible to worship in this parish. God provides the necessary grace to make up the difference.

There’s a lot of discussion at the parish on which of the people’s parts will be in English going forward and how to incorporate respect for the people who founded the parish and for those who are now coming to it. Father’s position is that the Liturgy will reflect the parishioners’ vernacular. He says if a large group of Chinese show up at the door tomorrow, Liturgy will be in Mandarin next week. He and the deacon are actively working together on how to balance the fact that we have multiple vernaculars and how to integrate that into one liturgical community. Please pray for them.

If you haven’t looked at it in a while, you can check out the new welcome video we put on our website to see a glimpse into the variety of people who attend the parish: stsophiaukrainian.cc/

**>>I have no EC or Orthodox blood in me – my ancestors were Latin Catholics, protestants, or pagans. **
Many of the people at that church share the same story. I can think of people off the top of my head who go to St. Sophia’s who are black, white, Hispanic, Native American, multiracial, who speak French, Spanish, German, Russian, who know Gregorian chant, who sing Ukrainian folk. So what?

“In love He predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ.” -Eph 1:5

Genetics is nothing. Christ’s blood is what unites us all. You commune from the same chalice and you’re part of the family.

>>In some respects I feel like I am turning my back on the Latin church even though EC are part of Catholic church.
If you have any anger or animosity or guilt or disappointment in the west, you’ll need to deal with that independent of your learning about the east. Emotions are funny things, though. If we put our lives on a timescale that depended on emotions, we would never get some things done. You can visit Eastern Catholic Churches and pursue that path knowing intellectually that it isn’t betrayal even while feeling that way emotionally. Sometimes we have to stop and face our problems before moving on and sometimes we have to set aside the emotions and move forward despite them. There’s nothing wrong with being open to where God leads, taking it one day at a time.

>>Also wondering if there would ever be an American Byzantine church or will EC’s eventually fade away in US?
The Ukrainians are the largest and probably one of the most diverse of the Eastern Catholic Churches. The UGCC patriarch, for example, speaks Spanish fluently because he was the bishop of Buenos Aires, Argentina until he was appointed patriarch this year. He is also fluent in Polish, Russian, English, Italian, Greek, Latin and Old Slavonic.

The Ukrainian synod of bishops just met in Brazil where they developed a church strategy for now through 2020. The focus is on parish life and evangelization. The patriarch speaks at length about enculturation and the church in the diaspora. The Church in America isn’t going away; it’s just getting started! This is such an amazing and exciting time of renewal and growth in the Ukrainian Catholic Church, both in the United States and around the world!

That means, obviously, that we have some growing still to do. We’re not perfect. But God is still using our Church, and even our parish and our people, to do so many amazing things! Our parish is growing. Our choir is growing. We’re baptizing/chrismating babies and converts into the church. Father’s giving children’s homilies. We’re making more pirogies because more people in the community are joining us. We’re having a parish picnic in the Fall in addition to our Summer patronal feast. We just had a fall festival with pancakes and games and goodies. We helped with water for the homeless during the heat. We help an orphanage in Ukraine. We’re starting a catechesis program for all ages this Fall. There are so many amazing things going on and more are underway. This* is* the Church in America doing the work of God in accordance to the traditions handed down from the apostles through Constantinople’s evangelization of the Grand Prince Volodymyr and his baptism of the Rus’ and from there people came to the United States all the way to The Colony, TX where they could share the same apostolic faith with you and me. It’s humbling to think of God’s providence.

>>Anyone else have these thoughts?
I think it is very normal to have conflicting thoughts, worries, questions, and fears. You don’t need to resolve these before you go; you need to go in order to resolve them. You know, morally and intellectually, that there is no sin in following these nudges you’re getting to find out more. So go to the church, participate in the Liturgy, talk to the priest, meet some of the people, enjoy the coffee and snacks, pray for direction, and see where God leads the next day, then follow His will. Really, what else is there to do when the Lord puts something like this on your heart? Many of us share this particular leg of the journey with you. I encourage you to contact Fr. Pavlo and see where God leads next. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask.
 
Appearances to the contrary, the church is not an ethnic club. What intimidates you is the name on the door, but go in anyway.

Thank you for the encouragement!

I don’t know your particular background, but you might have butterflies going into an all Polish parish, or an all Mexican parish, or an all African-American parish if this is something you are not used to.

Try to overcome this anxiety, the eastern churches are open to all, as many Latin Catholics have learned. You will probably meet some fellow sojourners once inside.

You will definitely enjoy the customs … especially around Holy Week and Pascha … and the people are very friendly and warm toward visitors (at least from my experience).

Thanks!
 
**>>I feel like it’s not right for me to start attending a UGCC that has people’s parts in Ukrainian and many parishioners are from Ukraine or of Ukrainian descent. **
What about it seems not right? Is it that it feels fake, as if you’re putting on a costume that doesn’t belong to you? The way I think of it is that I’m showing respect for those who have gone before me and have made it possible to worship in this parish. God provides the necessary grace to make up the difference.

That’s a neat way of looking at it. I feel like I’m the fake, like joining the party late. Yeah I know it sounds a little silly…

There’s a lot of discussion at the parish on which of the people’s parts will be in English going forward and how to incorporate respect for the people who founded the parish and for those who are now coming to it. Father’s position is that the Liturgy will reflect the parishioners’ vernacular. He says if a large group of Chinese show up at the door tomorrow, Liturgy will be in Mandarin next week. He and the deacon are actively working together on how to balance the fact that we have multiple vernaculars and how to integrate that into one liturgical community. Please pray for them.

That’s very interesting to know. I will pray for them for sure.

If you haven’t looked at it in a while, you can check out the new welcome video we put on our website to see a glimpse into the variety of people who attend the parish: stsophiaukrainian.cc/

The new website is fantastic!

Genetics is nothing. Christ’s blood is what unites us all. You commune from the same chalice and you’re part of the family.

>>In some respects I feel like I am turning my back on the Latin church even though EC are part of Catholic church.
If you have any anger or animosity or guilt or disappointment in the west, you’ll need to deal with that independent of your learning about the east. Emotions are funny things, though. If we put our lives on a timescale that depended on emotions, we would never get some things done. You can visit Eastern Catholic Churches and pursue that path knowing intellectually that it isn’t betrayal even while feeling that way emotionally. Sometimes we have to stop and face our problems before moving on and sometimes we have to set aside the emotions and move forward despite them. There’s nothing wrong with being open to where God leads, taking it one day at a time.

***No animosity or anger towards Latin church, rather like I have something to give to the Lord (don’t know what it is yet), and it seems like the Latin church may be on the verge of some exciting growth and don’t want to abandon them when they might need my talents (whatever those talents may be). The latin church we go to know is a wonderful place and I wouldn’t mind staying there if it weren’t for that stirring in my soul for more. ***

>>Also wondering if there would ever be an American Byzantine church or will EC’s eventually fade away in US?

The Church in America isn’t going away; it’s just getting started! This is such an amazing and exciting time of renewal and growth in the Ukrainian Catholic Church, both in the United States and around the world!

That means, obviously, that we have some growing still to do. We’re not perfect. But God is still using our Church, and even our parish and our people, to do so many amazing things! Our parish is growing. Our choir is growing. We’re baptizing/chrismating babies and converts into the church…

Exciting times indeed.

This* is* the Church in America doing the work of God in accordance to the traditions handed down from the apostles through Constantinople’s evangelization of the Grand Prince Volodymyr and his baptism of the Rus’ and from there people came to the United States all the way to The Colony, TX where they could share the same apostolic faith with you and me. It’s humbling to think of God’s providence.

Wow, interesting way to put it.

>>Anyone else have these thoughts?
I think it is very normal to have conflicting thoughts, worries, questions, and fears. You don’t need to resolve these before you go; you need to go in order to resolve them. You know, morally and intellectually, that there is no sin in following these nudges you’re getting to find out more.

***Good to know I’m not crazy. 😃 ***
 
***No animosity or anger towards Latin church, rather like I have something to give to the Lord (don’t know what it is yet), and it seems like the Latin church may be on the verge of some exciting growth and don’t want to abandon them when they might need my talents (whatever those talents may be). The latin church we go to know is a wonderful place and I wouldn’t mind staying there if it weren’t for that stirring in my soul for more. ***
I’m a catechist in a Latin parish, and involved in other ways that support that parish. I also assist in daily Mass almost daily. Where I do that depends on my work schedule. Daily Mass is so different in a Latin parish from Sunday Masses there. I’m grateful to have that option.

We’re in communion with the Latin Church. There is no need to “abandon” it. 🙂 It can be a challenge since we have different feast days etc., but I work around that.

I also think most of the parishioners in my tiny parish receive the Holy Mystery of penance/ confession, in Latin parishes. We have daily confession at the local Latin Cathedral with very good confessors, which I take advantage of. The Latin church where I’m a catechist also hosts the corporate penance services twice a year for the local deanery, with about 10 priests available. I’ve discovered during Great Lent I can go to the Bridegroom service at the Greek Orthodox and still get to my Latin parish in time for the penance. It helps me feel connected to that community.

I love the Latin Church. 😃 I trained for three years in a non-degree program the local Latin Diocese offers. I have volunteered for many events at the Latin Cathedral, and from those two experiences I have many friends in this diocese (which is a different diocese from where my ECC parish is located). I know many of the Latin priests in this diocese and have been blest to receive Holy Eucharist and Penance as well as just ordinary friendship from them.
 
You can think of it this way: the Catholic Church was not founded by Catholics, but Jews.
Do you feel strange inside a Catholic Church because of this? According to Acts 11:26, the first time those who believed in Jesus were called “Christians” was in Antioch, a Greek-speaking city of ancient Syria.

What it all boils down to is where your heart is comfortable. God will instruct you via that, so listen and good luck on yuor journey!
 
As far as I know, my ancestry is western European, with a little Native American (1/32). My father’s family was Pentecostal, while my mother’s family was Southern Baptist. I became Eastern Catholic several years ago. I am very comfortable with being Eastern Catholic. There has never been an issue of being made to feel like an outsider because I’m not of a traditionally EC or EO background.
Wow! My family was once fully catholic but then converted to Pentecostal and non denominational because my family thought it was awkward we were the only African Americans there but I look at it as very stupid. But I guess if you lived in the 1960s it would be awkward?

Anyways, I just became eastern catholic and I also feel very comfterble , what rite are you? Maronite , Byzantine , etc
 
I’ve always felt comfortable in every Eastern church I’ve ever stepped foot in. I don’t feel “fake” about it though because I’m a convert from Protestantism, and I don’t feel any ethnic affinity to the Latin West (though my mother is half-Sicilian, I was born and raised a Swedish Lutheran), so the culture I see is just the culture of my Faith that I adopted, and since I gave up my own Lutheran culture I’m more than happy to share in that of my new family.

Eastern Catholics are an extremely hospitable sort. Go to Liturgy once and they will lavish on you all the warmth due to a guest, go a second time and you’re family. Last week my Melkite parish even asked me to come volunteer at the “Arab Americans of Central Ohio” stand at the International Festival, wearing Lebanese garb. As far as they’re concerned, I’m one of them now.
 
Wow! My family was once fully catholic but then converted to Pentecostal and non denominational because my family thought it was awkward we were the only African Americans there but I look at it as very stupid. But I guess if you lived in the 1960s it would be awkward?

Anyways, I just became eastern catholic and I also feel very comfterble , what rite are you? Maronite , Byzantine , etc
Byzantine.
 
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