DRE believes women should be priests and doctrine needs to change

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At our church this last Saturday we had our two little ones practicing for a play for the Christmas Mass on the 24th. Well afterwards I spoke to one of the ladies there and I mentioned that most Catholics today do not know what it means to be Catholic, that the education of young Catholics is so bad that I have a buddy that is a craddle Catholic turned Pentacost and that I know more about Catholicism and I became Catholic eight years ago in my thirties and learned on my own most of what I know today.

Well little did I know (until after the conversation) that this lady is the Director of Education at our church. :banghead:

Well the discussion changed to how the Episcopal church has women priests when I was trying to make my point and she said “good for them”. Even though I did not know she was the DRE I found this remark to be very disturbing. She plainly made me aware that women not being able to be ordained to priesthood is a doctrine which can be changed and should be. My feelings from her were that this is what she was attempting to further in our little church. Since my son has started Catechism there I am even more disturbed by the whole conversation with our DRE.

I know the Catechism (1577) teaches only a man (vir) or men (viri) can be ordained as a priest and St Augustine wrote as much. But I am pulled between wanting to rectify this as best I can by attending January’s council meeting and speaking out and/or speaking to the head Priest if necessary or leaving and being a member at another Catholic church.

What the DRE is supporting seems like heresy to me.

Am I wrong in my thoughts or am I simply not being tolerant? And if I have justification for my thoughts and/or feelings what actions should I take?
 
Bring it up with your priest, then if he doesn’t do anything I would bring it up with your bishop. You are perfectly justified in being upset over this. The head of education should actually beleive in the Faith.
 
Mention this conversation to your priest, and alert him that you are concerned. In my personal opinion, she should not be allowed to be a DRE if she is not willing to teach and uphold the teachings of the Church.
 
jmcrae said:
Mention this conversation to your priest, and alert him that you are concerned. In my personal opinion, she should not be allowed to be a DRE if she is not willing to teach and uphold the teachings of the Church.
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I would agree with this but I would add that if one is truly concerned one should be prepared to go further up the chain of command because a parish with such a DRE could possibly have a pastor who holds similar convictions.
 
wow…all I can say is WOW. It almost sounds like she is trying to subvert the little minds of the younguns. Perhaps that is her intent altogether and in her mind she is doing her part in the “revolt”. Or whatever. Of course souls like that need lots and lots of prayers.
 
I would inform your priest that you are pulling your child out of CCD to teach him at home due to the unorthodox beliefs of the DRE. Furthermore, as was stated do not be afraid to take this up the chain of command if you are not pleased with the answer.

Incidentally, as I post this I am sitting here with my ten year old son and told him of the problem. His simple remark was, “She shouldn’t be teaching those kids.” He gets it. Too bad the DRE doesn’t.
 
JacktheCatholic said:
At our church this last Saturday we had our two little ones practicing for a play for the Christmas Mass on the 24th. Well afterwards I spoke to one of the ladies there and I mentioned that most Catholics today do not know what it means to be Catholic, that the education of young Catholics is so bad that I have a buddy that is a craddle Catholic turned Pentacost and that I know more about Catholicism and I became Catholic eight years ago in my thirties and learned on my own most of what I know today.

Well little did I know (until after the conversation) that this lady is the Director of Education at our church. :banghead:

Well the discussion changed to how the Episcopal church has women priests when I was trying to make my point and she said “good for them”. Even though I did not know she was the DRE I found this remark to be very disturbing. She plainly made me aware that women not being able to be ordained to priesthood is a doctrine which can be changed and should be. My feelings from her were that this is what she was attempting to further in our little church. Since my son has started Catechism there I am even more disturbed by the whole conversation with our DRE.

I know the Catechism (1577) teaches only a man (vir) or men (viri) can be ordained as a priest and St Augustine wrote as much. But I am pulled between wanting to rectify this as best I can by attending January’s council meeting and speaking out and/or speaking to the head Priest if necessary or leaving and being a member at another Catholic church.

What the DRE is supporting seems like heresy to me.

Am I wrong in my thoughts or am I simply not being tolerant? And if I have justification for my thoughts and/or feelings what actions should I take?
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You should bring this to the pastors attention. After JPII issued his Apostolic Letter, which is a magisterial document, binding on all the faithful and is required to be followed by any person in a teaching role.
 
SMHW said:
I would agree with this but I would add that if one is truly concerned one should be prepared to go further up the chain of command because a parish with such a DRE could possibly have a pastor who holds similar convictions.
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I am the wife of jackthecatholic and I met with the priest over a year ago and he expressed sympathy for women who cannot be a priest. He mentioned a lot of disturbing things to me that I didn’t have the background to really discuss in detail. But my “assumption” of him is that he does not believe in the teachings of Purgatory and Confession. He has been writing a 4 part series of articles about General Absolution that our bishop mandated not to do. He doesn’t outwardly say he disagrees but puts in a lot of fluff and information to support more of a "protestant’ doctrine to me. I am also involved in the adult formation committee and pastoral woman also believes she was called to be a priest and I feel that she does have the support of our head priest.

The big question for us is whether we should stay and try to get support of the minority that agrees with us or leave. The only problem is that we would be leaving a parish that is teaching (to me) heresy. We have a 5 and 7 year old that we would like to start forming and by next year, I don’t know if this parish would be the right fit. The Associate Pastor seems to agree with us but doesn’t have any real power to do so and everyone in our parish sees him as being backwards (he is from a different country too - so I sense some prejudice).

Should we just go to the bishop directly? I’ve been fighting this question for over a year? Or should I just confront the head priest? I feel it would be more of us coming in as accusing and being argumentive (plus he is a better debator-so I feel any of my concerns will be squashed).
 
ITA with what everybody on this thread here so far has said.

As a catechist, myself, I know that my role is to explain/describe what it is, anyway, that is taught by the Church. Anything else… I’d be committing heresy.

Pray for that DRE. For her soul. For her repentance that she is definitely choosing to not perform the role in the ministry as DRE to which she had, apparently, originally been called.
 
ITA with what everybody on this thread here so far has said.

As a catechist (my ministry has been for preparation of others for the Sacrament of Confirmation), myself, I know that my role is to explain/describe what it is, anyway, that is taught by the Church. Anything else… I’d be committing heresy.

Pray for that DRE. For her soul. For her repentance that she is definitely choosing to not perform the role in the ministry as DRE to which she had, apparently, originally been called.

Another thing – you’re Confirmed, right? Been to Confession recently enough that you know that your soul, itself, is in a State of Grace, right?

If so… soldier on… bring it to the attention of the pastor… or even the Bishop after that if necessary… you will be performing an Act of Charity – “instruct the ignorant.”
 
A DRE that thinks that women should be priests should be canned. When we have people who espouse heresy in charge of religious education then we wonder why so many Catholics don’t know their religion from a hole in the ground. :rolleyes:
 
Veronica_Anne said:
ITA with what everybody on this thread here so far has said.

As a catechist (my ministry has been for preparation of others for the Sacrament of Confirmation), myself, I know that my role is to explain/describe what it is, anyway, that is taught by the Church. Anything else… I’d be committing heresy.

Pray for that DRE. For her soul. For her repentance that she is definitely choosing to not perform the role in the ministry as DRE to which she had, apparently, originally been called.

Another thing – you’re Confirmed, right? Been to Confession recently enough that you know that your soul, itself, is in a State of Grace, right?

If so… soldier on… bring it to the attention of the pastor… or even the Bishop after that if necessary… you will be performing an Act of Charity – “instruct the ignorant.”
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Confirmed and went to confession 2 weeks ago and no mortal sin since then. But I am due for another dose of confession this week. 😃

FWIW I agree that an Act of Charity should be performed and that it is our obligation as members of this church to address the Head Priest and then the Bishop if warranted.

If the shepard is not guiding the sheep towards that narrow opening to Heaven then he needs guidance himself.

I ask that you all pray for us and our church.

God Bless you and I will hold you all in my prayers tonight.
 
Any chance there is another church nearby? I would RUN not walk from that parish.
 
I hate to be the one to burst your bubble on this but a lot in fact probably the majority of DRE’s actually want this as well. It is not at all uncommon and in fact in many areas is the norm.

Many of the CCD, RCIA ,Faith Formation and LifeTeen programs are some of the last bastions of truly late 60’s and early 70’s style liberal thought left in America. No change is bad all change is good and reform if genuine can never stop.

The DRE at my parish gave a lecture on Church History to an RCIA group and part of his lecture focused on the fact that to be a true Catholic you had to be a revolutionary at heart and give moral, physical and financial support to those groups that practiced liberation theology. He also said that true Catholics could never support an immoral government such as that of the United States and held up as a model of progressive government, the nation of Cuba.

Good luck in trying to get anything done with the DRE you mentioned.
 
In regards to all of the nonsense from DREs cited in this thread (particularly that last bit by palma), I just find it all frightening. It is disturbing to think of the harm this sort of thing does.

I suspect the DRE giving the history lecture probably had their Church history just as wrong as their theology.

Clearly that DRE is a Marxist sympathizer. Probably has a Che T-Shirt hidden somewhere. I never understood the appeal of the bloody (litteraly) communists.
 
This is a very conservative site, and I try to post to fit in within the limits of how I can in good conscience overlap, but frankly, I do wonder if people here realize the extent to which they are the tail wagging the dog.

I have seen many references to the CCC, and while it does carry a certain authority, it is not to my knowledge an infallible declaration, so when it says (in expression of the opinion of the previous pope) that women cannot be made priests as a matter of doctrine, it is simply wrong. Whom the Church chooses to ordain is always a matter of Church discipline, and it cannot be otherwise.

It may have crossed the mind of several posters here that the reason women prevail as DREs and parish administrators and EMHCs and lectors and so forth is because they have a strong call to ministry which many of them would find fulfilled in the priesthood. God made us so that women can do anything men can do, period. We’ve been fighting this too long.

I will anticipate one riposte, which is that this would endanger our relationships with the Orthodox. The Orthodox can go to another place. They broke from Rome a thousand years ago and are a lost cause. We should not give a rodent’s behind what the Orthodox think about things like ordaining women…
 
Unfortunately, I think you are right - they are holdovers from the 60s and 70s, and they are holding these positions of teaching in some parishes. I have a tough time explaining to someone considering RCIA why the Church teaches one thing and those running some of these programs teach another.
 
jbuck919 said:
It may have crossed the mind of several posters here that the reason women prevail as DREs and parish administrators and EMHCs and lectors and so forth is because they have a strong call to ministry which many of them would find fulfilled in the priesthood. God made us so that women can do anything men can do, period. We’ve been fighting this too long.

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The matter of ordaining women is not a dicipline. It is a matter of authority. THe pope has spoken on this matter. The church does not have the authority to ordain Women and it never will. I am sure there are many women out there with good leadership skills but in many places where women “prevail” (your term) you will see very few men… I have seen it countless times. If you feminize things…a large portion of the men will detach themselves from parish life. Just visited my wife’s hometown parish this past weekend. The liturgy had an army of women EMHCs running around like little special priestesses and the DRE gave the homily which had a very feminized message to it. The congregation had about 600 people and women outnumbered men by 3-1. My mother-in- law and I discussed this after mass. She informed me that every single commission,council and group was consisted ENTIRELY of women. INCLUDING the facilities management group. She just couldn’t understand why men were not involved. I just bit my tongue…Oh on the way to dinner we swung by to pick up my father-in-law who decided to “skip mass” that day. I have seen it with my own eyes.
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