DRE believes women should be priests and doctrine needs to change

[netmilsmom]

We have a 5 and 7 year old that we would like to start forming and by next year, I don’t know if this parish would be the right fit. The Associate Pastor seems to agree with us but doesn’t have any real power to do so and everyone in our parish sees him as being backwards (he is from a different country too - so I sense some prejudice).

With the ages of your children, get out. (what do you mean by “forming”?)
Take your time, talent and money elsewhere. Support a parish that is sticking to doctrine. If everyone did this, the parishes that bend doctrine would be gone.

Write a letter to the priest with a CC to the Bishop and wash your hands of the parish. You are needed elsewhere.

 

[MrS]

This is a very conservative site, and I try to post to fit in within the limits of how I can in good conscience overlap, but frankly, I do wonder if people here realize the extent to which they are the tail wagging the dog.

I have seen many references to the CCC, and while it does carry a certain authority, it is not to my knowledge an infallible declaration, so when it says (in expression of the opinion of the previous pope) that women cannot be made priests as a matter of doctrine, it is simply wrong. Whom the Church chooses to ordain is always a matter of Church discipline, and it cannot be otherwise.

It may have crossed the mind of several posters here that the reason women prevail as DREs and parish administrators and EMHCs and lectors and so forth is because they have a strong call to ministry which many of them would find fulfilled in the priesthood. God made us so that women can do anything men can do, period. We’ve been fighting this too long.

I will anticipate one riposte, which is that this would endanger our relationships with the Orthodox. The Orthodox can go to another place. They broke from Rome a thousand years ago and are a lost cause. We should not give a rodent’s behind what the Orthodox think about things like ordaining women…

Well, your thinking is not part of the solution. It is part of the problem.

 

[netmilsmom]

The congregation had about 600 people and women outnumbered men by 3-1. My mother-in- law and I discussed this after mass. She informed me that every single commission,council and group was consisted ENTIRELY of women. INCLUDING the facilities management group. She just couldn’t understand why men were not involved. I just bit my tongue…Oh on the way to dinner we swung by to pick up my father-in-law who decided to “skip mass” that day. I have seen it with my own eyes.

Wow! nail = head.
In my last two “Catholic Communities” we had about a 3 to 1 ratio as well. The only men your saw were 65+ with time on their hands and looking at the great reward. Women filled the parish and ran it.

Now, we have a very strong, young pastor (God Bless him and give him long life), two senior priests, Altar Boys, and a parish filled with men as well as women. Because of the Altar Boy program, you don’t see our young men dropping out, they stay from High School through marriage and children.

 

[netmilsmom]

God made us so that women can do anything men can do, period. We’ve been fighting this too long.

Oh I don’t know, ever been to any Scottish Games?
I’m not sure that women can quite muster up the ability to throw a telephone pole.

Life is much easier when one gives up the fight and realizes that men and women are different.

 

[MrS]

smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_32_7.gif we are equal … NOTsmileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_32_9.gif

I’m gonna be a priestesssmileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_9_210.gifno you are not … it can never be

 

[fix]

This is a very conservative site, and I try to post to fit in within the limits of how I can in good conscience overlap, but frankly, I do wonder if people here realize the extent to which they are the tail wagging the dog.

I have seen many references to the CCC, and while it does carry a certain authority, it is not to my knowledge an infallible declaration, so when it says (in expression of the opinion of the previous pope) that women cannot be made priests as a matter of doctrine, it is simply wrong. Whom the Church chooses to ordain is always a matter of Church discipline, and it cannot be otherwise.

It may have crossed the mind of several posters here that the reason women prevail as DREs and parish administrators and EMHCs and lectors and so forth is because they have a strong call to ministry which many of them would find fulfilled in the priesthood. God made us so that women can do anything men can do, period. We’ve been fighting this too long.

I will anticipate one riposte, which is that this would endanger our relationships with the Orthodox. The Orthodox can go to another place. They broke from Rome a thousand years ago and are a lost cause. We should not give a rodent’s behind what the Orthodox think about things like ordaining women…

These days it is not very hard to find correct answers to very basic questions.

Dubium: Whether the teaching that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women, which is presented in the Apostolic Letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis to be held definitively, is to be understood as belonging to the deposit of faith.
Responsum: In the affirmative.

This teaching requires definitive assent, since, founded on the written Word of God, and from the beginning constantly preserved and applied in the Tradition of the Church, it has been set forth infallibly by the ordinary and universal Magisterium(cf. Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church Lumen Gentium 25, 2). Thus, in the present circumstances, the Roman Pontiff, exercising his proper office of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32), has handed on this same teaching by a formal declaration, explicitly stating what is to be held always, everywhere, and by all, as belonging to the deposit of the faith.

The Sovereign Pontiff John Paul II, at the Audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect, approved this Reply, adopted in the ordinary session of this Congregation, and ordered it to be published.

Rome, from the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, on the Feast of the Apostles SS. Simon and Jude, October 28, 1995.
Joseph Card. Ratzinger
Prefect
ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFRESPO.HTM

 

[drforjc]

jbuck919 wrote:

We should not give a rodent’s behind what the Orthodox think about things like ordaining women…

Obviously the Holy Father disagrees with you…

 

[JacktheCatholic]

These days it is not very hard to find correct answers to very basic questions.

I read that letter last night before sending an e-mail to both the Head Priest and another to the DRE that I spoke with. I prayed before doing anything and asked God for the Holy Spirit to command my actions and then I wrote and sent them.

One thing I read in the letter that I did not see in the Catechism was the fact that if Jesus wanted women in the priesthood he had the perfect woman for the job, the Blessed Mother. But Jesus instituted this position for men for a reason God may only know but it was instituted by Jesus and we should follow him.

Also after thinking this through and reading what I have it is my opinion that many feminists in the USA have acquired distorted views of things with the church because they are always looking for injustices against women and now some of these groups of feminists have gone so far as to try and do away with the greatness of being a woman.

In my opinion God made man and woman different and we each have our own blessings and some are unique. Also Priests and Bishops have Jesus work through them and act out what Jesus and the Apostles did and this is a very symbolic thing and so a man is required for this act.

I will continue to pray for the Unity of our great church and for the heretical thinking in it to start to be expelled.

God Bless and Peace be with you.

Jack

 

[fix]

I read that letter last night before sending an e-mail to both the Head Priest and another to the DRE that I spoke with. I prayed before doing anything and asked God for the Holy Spirit to command my actions and then I wrote and sent them.

One thing I read in the letter that I did not see in the Catechism was the fact that if Jesus wanted women in the priesthood he had the perfect woman for the job, the Blessed Mother. But Jesus instituted this position for men for a reason God may only know but it was instituted by Jesus and we should follow him.

Also after thinking this through and reading what I have it is my opinion that many feminists in the USA have acquired distorted views of things with the church because they are always looking for injustices against women and now some of these groups of feminists have gone so far as to try and do away with the greatness of being a woman.

In my opinion God made man and woman different and we each have our own blessings and some are unique. Also Priests and Bishops have Jesus work through them and act out what Jesus and the Apostles did and this is a very symbolic thing and so a man is required for this act.

I will continue to pray for the Unity of our great church and for the heretical thinking in it to start to be expelled.

God Bless and Peace be with you.

Jack

Jack,

I am with you 100%. To me this is simply one example of a much deeper problem. That problem is who is the authority? Christ is the authority, but He left a Church. The Church was founded for the salvation of souls.

I believe many are evangelized by popular culture rather than by the Church. I agree there is a distorted type of reasoning that thinks men and women are not only equal in dignity before Christ, but are exactly the same and interchangeable like some sort of machine. Any authentic difference in roles is automatically termed discrimination. Such a foolish, myopic, and immature view is very common and really does much to further confusion and it lessens obedience to proper authority.

 

[Walking_Home]

I am the wife of jackthecatholic and I met with the priest over a year ago and he expressed sympathy for women who cannot be a priest. He mentioned a lot of disturbing things to me that I didn’t have the background to really discuss in detail. But my “assumption” of him is that he does not believe in the teachings of Purgatory and Confession. He has been writing a 4 part series of articles about General Absolution that our bishop mandated not to do. He doesn’t outwardly say he disagrees but puts in a lot of fluff and information to support more of a "protestant’ doctrine to me. I am also involved in the adult formation committee and pastoral woman also believes she was called to be a priest and I feel that she does have the support of our head priest.

The big question for us is whether we should stay and try to get support of the minority that agrees with us or leave. The only problem is that we would be leaving a parish that is teaching (to me) heresy. We have a 5 and 7 year old that we would like to start forming and by next year, I don’t know if this parish would be the right fit. The Associate Pastor seems to agree with us but doesn’t have any real power to do so and everyone in our parish sees him as being backwards (he is from a different country too - so I sense some prejudice).

Should we just go to the bishop directly? I’ve been fighting this question for over a year? Or should I just confront the head priest? I feel it would be more of us coming in as accusing and being argumentive (plus he is a better debator-so I feel any of my concerns will be squashed).

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Generally I would say—leave that parish—but for far to many years we have let people like this priest and DRE continue to poison the minds of children and and adults entering the Church. Do what ever you need to do to get them out . Document everything and contact the bishop. The bishop is accountable for what happens in his diocese. Be willing to continue up the chain of command. As was suggested earlier–take over the religious formation of your children. Do not allow them to manipulate your children.

 

[TheGarg]

This is a very conservative site, and I try to post to fit in within the limits of how I can in good conscience overlap, but frankly, I do wonder if people here realize the extent to which they are the tail wagging the dog.

I have seen many references to the CCC, and while it does carry a certain authority, it is not to my knowledge an infallible declaration, so when it says (in expression of the opinion of the previous pope) that women cannot be made priests as a matter of doctrine, it is simply wrong. Whom the Church chooses to ordain is always a matter of Church discipline, and it cannot be otherwise.

It may have crossed the mind of several posters here that the reason women prevail as DREs and parish administrators and EMHCs and lectors and so forth is because they have a strong call to ministry which many of them would find fulfilled in the priesthood. God made us so that women can do anything men can do, period. We’ve been fighting this too long.

I will anticipate one riposte, which is that this would endanger our relationships with the Orthodox. The Orthodox can go to another place. They broke from Rome a thousand years ago and are a lost cause. We should not give a rodent’s behind what the Orthodox think about things like ordaining women…

WOMEN…CANNOT …BE…PRIESTS…

it will never, never, never , never x1000000 be priests…why…well it is simple.

1.Jesus didn’t set it up that way

1. Jesus is the bridegroom, and the Church is the Bride…therefor husbands of the Bride, need to be male…

just for starters …

her is a good link …

catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0201sbs.asp

 

[Cavaille-Coll]

Many people of a heterodox bent, frequently tinged with Marxist, feminist, or humanistic thought, sought advanced degrees in theology in order to worm their way into parishes and dioceses and spread their agenda. Sounds paranoid, but it’s true. The position of DRE is among the most common, and easy to acquire when so many priests and parish councils are more impressed by degrees than by orthodoxy and personal faith. Quite often, the assumption is made that “she attended X University, which is Catholic” or “these textbooks are Catholic” because they say so. It often ends up in a power struggle between concerned parents and a DRE with severe chalice envy. It is too bad that many priests spend more time researching new car models or their local golf course than researching the people that are going to instill the faith (or a faith) in the children of the parish.

It is unfortunate that when a website represents the teaching of the Church, it is called “conservative.” It just shows how far off “normal” we have gotten. Pendulum theories are fine for politics, but when dealing with absolute truths and dogmas, one is either orthodox or heterodox.

 

[JMJDevotee]

smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_32_7.gif we are equal … NOTsmileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_32_9.gif

I’m gonna be a priestesssmileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_9_210.gifno you are not … it can never be

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Boy, that is great just great!!! :tiphat: :bowdown2:

I have had this discussion ad nauseum with friends and family alike. As Fr. Corapi states so eloquently, God made man and woman differently, equal in diginity but differently. God made their differences so that they compliment one another.

Pax vobiscum

 

[jbuck919]

I would just like to point out that the difference in upper body strength is irrelevant to the duties of the priesthood. Men can’t do the balance beam in gymnastics because they lack the flexibility, but that does not disqualify them for most occupations or vocations in the world.

It is probably true that there will never be women priests. Certainly there will not be in my lifetime. I just wish it made clear that the reason is tradition, not necessity. Tradition has its own weight which we may not want to gainsay.

Jesus would have been scandalized to have women apostles; presumable they all slept on the floor together wherever they went. The situation is more analogous to a monastery than to a church with a secular presence. The human, Jewish, Galilean Jesus also would have believed that women were unclean during menstruation and accepted many other cultural assumptions that kept women in their place at the time. Every argument against women priests that I have ever heard, including every one that has been posted here, is from someone who finds the idea personally abhorrent and is hiding behind any excuse he can find to bolster his own sense of repugnance. The burden of refuting this assertion without resorting to stale, flimsy arguments is on them, not me. Alas, even popes are not above this.

 

[JMJDevotee]

So jbuck, does that mean you are in favor of women priests? If so, why? What makes it unfair in your opinion?

Pax vobiscum

 

[fix]

I would just like to point out that the difference in upper body strength is irrelevant to the duties of the priesthood. Men can’t do the balance beam in gymnastics because they lack the flexibility, but that does not disqualify them for most occupations or vocations in the world.

It is probably true that there will never be women priests. Certainly there will not be in my lifetime. I just wish it made clear that the reason is tradition, not necessity. Tradition has its own weight which we may not want to gainsay.

Jesus would have been scandalized to have women apostles; presumable they all slept on the floor together wherever they went. The situation is more analogous to a monastery than to a church with a secular presence. The human, Jewish, Galilean Jesus also would have believed that women were unclean during menstruation and accepted many other cultural assumptions that kept women in their place at the time. Every argument against women priests that I have ever heard, including every one that has been posted here, is from someone who finds the idea personally abhorrent and is hiding behind any excuse he can find to bolster his own sense of repugnance. The burden of refuting this assertion without resorting to stale, flimsy arguments is on them, not me. Alas, even popes are not above this.

So, Christ was constrained by His culture? And today we are more enlightended? When will men starting giving birth?

 

[Brendan]

More specifically, jbuck seems to think that the human will of Jesus could have ever acted contrary to Justice, which would, of course, have meant that Christ sinned.

In other words, juck needs to rely on heresy to support the position.

 

[Stu]

So, Christ was constrained by His culture? And today we are more enlightended? When will men starting giving birth?

Yes, the “constrained by His culture” argument must be the weakest attempt to justify priestesses ever With all of the other changes Christ was making, to institute priestesses would certainly have been doable especially given He is the Almighty.

 

[mikew262]

In other words, juck needs to rely on heresy to support the position.

There’s that old worn out word again, heresy. Some of you folks pull it out like a knife whenever somebody wants to discuss a position that may be contrary to either own personal opinion or possibly the Church’s.

This is a “forum”, which means a place to express yourself: a medium in which the public may debate an issue or express opinions, e.g. a magazine or newspaper

• meeting for discussion: a meeting to discuss matters of general interest.

Get it?

 

[netmilsmom]

There’s that old worn out word again, heresy. Some of you folks pull it out like a knife whenever somebody wants to discuss a position that may be contrary to either own personal opinion or possibly the Church’s.

This is a “forum”, which means a place to express yourself: a medium in which the public may debate an issue or express opinions, e.g. a magazine or newspaper

• meeting for discussion: a meeting to discuss matters of general interest.

Get it?

Definition of heretic:
a person who holds religious beliefs in conflict with the dogma of the Roman Catholic Church
a person who holds unorthodox opinions in any field (not merely religion)
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn