DRE forcing children to do face-to-face confessions

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In our parish, first confession is face to face, with the door open or up front in the pews. The reason, as explained to us, was because of the priest scandal. They want all children to be seen so that nothing could be mistaken for inappropriate behavior.

If push came to shove, I’m sure they would have allowed a private confession.
 
I remember my first confession, and I remember it being small, dark, and like being in a broom closet, and I had a hard time hearing the priest, and I was scared. I couldn’t wait to get out of there. My experience was so negative, I didn’t go to confession again for decades.
My first confession in the early 1970’s was face-to-face, on the alter in front of the whole congregation. I suppose my youthful shyness played a part, but I found the experience absolutely terrifying. And therefore, like the sensitive soul quoted above, my second confession was almost decades later (around 1988), and my first experience in an actual confessional was only recently, and it was face-to-face at my option. I am almost ashamed to admit that as a man of 43 years old I have only received the sacrament of reconciliation three times.

This sort of thing should not be forced on our young, for all the very good reasons already posted. Not that all or even most will be affected as I was, but even one such experience is one too many.

Peace all.
 
Thank you all for your replies especially the reference to Church Canon 964 …
Canon 964: § 1. The proper place for hearing sacramental confessions is a church or oratory.

§ 2. As far as the confessional is concerned, norms are to be issued by the Bishops’ Conference, with the proviso however that confessionals, fitted with a fixed grille between the penitent and the confessor, always be available in an open place, so that the faithful who so wish may freely use them.

§ 3. Except for a just reason, confessions are not to be heard elsewhere than in a confessional.
 
the part that irritates me the most about this whole discussion is the title of the thread. DREs, unless they are priests, and I never met one who was a priest, simply do not have this type of authority. yet it is a huge occupational hazard, assuming authority over things that are not part of our job description, i.e. liturgy and sacraments.

Immediate preparation for the sacrament should include a church tour, and a chance for the children to explore the confessional or “reconciliation room” to satisfy their curiosity, reduce anxiety, and help them know what to expect.

The other thing that riles me is priests, who should know better, changing the rules without authority. Priests are bound by canon law, they don’t write it.

You are not obligated to take your child to your own parish at the time and date the sacrament is offered. You can go and take your child at another time, to another parish, to another priest. In no way is any record of who celebrated first confession to be kept, there should be no certificate or memo of any kind, no list published. All of these violate the confidentiality implicit in the sacrament. All that is necessary is that you inform the DRE or catechist before first communion that your child has been given the opportunity for first confession (which is a pre-requisite for first communion). How, when, where and with whom is not an issue and you should not be pressed on the details.
 
  • a lot of them would simply feel more at ease and confess more freely and readily with the anonymity of going behind a screen
I completely disagree. We are talking about first confessions. In my parish, that means kids are about 7-8 years old. I don’t know of any child that age who would prefer to talk to a screen (mysterious and scary) rather than a person (normal and comfortable).

Obviously, our respective positions are based on our individual experiences as children. We’ll have to agree to disagree. 🙂
 
In no way is any record of who celebrated first confession to be kept, there should be no certificate or memo of any kind, no list published. All of these violate the confidentiality implicit in the sacrament
Can you provide me with proof of what you are saying? I’m not doubting you but would like something that I can present to the DRE because she is going to be issuing “certificates” to those that have gone to confession.
 
I would have a problem with this, too. I personally prefer face to face, but it’s not everyone’s cup of tea to be sure.

When my younger son’s group made their first confession, we were out of town, and had to schedule it later ourselves. We went to Mass one Saturday afternoon and asked Father afterwards. My son was nearly 8. He and Father both went into the confessional. There was no mystery to either who was on the other side, but DS decided to go on the side with the screen. Their sins may not be earth-shattering to us, but they can still be embarassing to them, and they should have the option.

THe DRE nearly had a stroke trying to confirm that DS had indeed been to confession before receiving First Communion. I had to give her the date and I know she probably double checked my story with Father.

My friend tells about her First Confession experience. It was the old “boxes” where the priest sat in the middle. She went in and he was talking to the person on the other side. She said she waited a while - then said what she had to say - and left - before Father had finished with the person on the other side.

Make some waves.
 
My daughter is doing her first confession this year and the letter that she brought home says that the children will be “strongly encouraged” to do the confession face-to-face. I asked my daughter to explain to me what they are being taught in school and when she got to that part, she said that they were told that they had to make a face-to-face confession and there was even no mention of going behind the screen.

That doesn’t sound like being “strongly encouraged” to do the confession face-to-face. It sounds to me like face-to-face was the only option given to them which I have a bit of a problem with.

Comments? Suggestions?
There is no rule that they must make their first confessions with a class. Find an orthodox priest, ask him to do it and have him provide a letter that it was done.
 
I completely disagree. We are talking about first confessions. In my parish, that means kids are about 7-8 years old. I don’t know of any child that age who would prefer to talk to a screen (mysterious and scary) rather than a person (normal and comfortable).

Obviously, our respective positions are based on our individual experiences as children. We’ll have to agree to disagree. 🙂
My granddaughter is 7 (and a half) and wants her first confession in January in “the closet” (traditional confessional).And she shall have it!
 
I, it seems to me that the main purpose for needing a screen is one of shame or embarrasment on the part of the penitent.

However, children making their first confession would rarely have a sin of a kind or magnitude that would result in shame or embarrasement.
I used to teach the sacrament prep class and it didn’t have any thing to do with embarrassment. We really stressed the fact that the priest was acting in persona Christi during Confession. The books even show a picture of Jesus superimposed over the priest who is hearing the confession. It was just easier for the kids to picture Jesus instead of Father Bob if they can’t see Father Bob’s face. We do not have the face-to-face option for kids or adults at our parish.
And, just recently he has removed the screen in the confessional all together - now the only option for everyone is face-to-face. The saddest part - in our very huge parish he commented that he averages one or two people a week. So in the end, this probably doesn’t matter much to most people, but for the wrong reason. 😦
At my former parish they replaced the traditional confessionals, which had a curtain and worked both ways, with glass confessionals. The same thing happened. You used to have to get there right at 4 pm to get any chance of getting a turn before Confession time ended at 5. Now you can walk in almost anytime between 4 and 5 and there is no waiting. 😦
A priest in another parish in our town has done the same thing, for the same reason. What confuses me though, is these priests could still offer face-to-face confessions, just do it in the back pew or corner of the church and rope off a boundary to keep people from getting too close.
How would that fulfill the canon law requirements of a fixed grille and the penitent’s right to an anonymous confession?
Immediate preparation for the sacrament should include a church tour, and a chance for the children to explore the confessional or “reconciliation room” to satisfy their curiosity, reduce anxiety, and help them know what to expect.
This is what we do. All the kids see the inside of the confessional and get to scope out where the Act of Contrition is posted. We even open the dividing door and show them where Father will be sitting. Most of the kids have never seen this until a few weeks before the scheduled date and they really enjoy being “in” on it as a sign of their being more grown up. 😃
 
I’ve never been in a face to face confessional with a kneeler, and kneeling is an important gesture of penance. For me, there was never a way, as a child, to avoid the kitchy conversation over coffee style of a face to face confession, so I started avoiding it. Also, when I was a child, I knew my sins weren’t grave and was actually *proud *of myself and wanted the priest to think highly of me.
 
Can you provide me with proof of what you are saying? I’m not doubting you but would like something that I can present to the DRE because she is going to be issuing “certificates” to those that have gone to confession.
in your first post you said you got a letter.
there are supposed to be parent meetings to prepare for sacraments. at that meeting, raise this issue, with what we have discussed here, and ask the question. Ask to see the canon law on the topic, and the particular law of the diocese. In writing.

If she does not cooperate or gets defensive, call and ask the pastor the same question. I have not access to my sources here at home and don’t like to make cites from memory but canon law is being broken here.

If the priest is uncooperative or refuses to make the choice available, go to the person in the diocese whose responsibility is liturgy and sacraments. The vicar general is the ombudsman for complaints like this.
 
I completely disagree. We are talking about first confessions. In my parish, that means kids are about 7-8 years old. I don’t know of any child that age who would prefer to talk to a screen (mysterious and scary) rather than a person (normal and comfortable).

Obviously, our respective positions are based on our individual experiences as children. We’ll have to agree to disagree. 🙂
I was definitely one who always preferred an anonymous confession, even as a child of 7 or 8 (I think I said as much in my earlier post).

One of the priests was a close family friend - I would have been embarrassed beyond belief having to tell him my sins face-to-face and then sit eyeballing him across the table at Sunday lunch!!

Much preferred to at least keep the illusion that he didn’t know it was me (though he most likely did).
 
the part that irritates me the most about this whole discussion is the title of the thread. DREs, unless they are priests, and I never met one who was a priest, simply do not have this type of authority. yet it is a huge occupational hazard, assuming authority over things that are not part of our job description, i.e. liturgy and sacraments.

Immediate preparation for the sacrament should include a church tour, and a chance for the children to explore the confessional or “reconciliation room” to satisfy their curiosity, reduce anxiety, and help them know what to expect.

The other thing that riles me is priests, who should know better, changing the rules without authority. Priests are bound by canon law, they don’t write it.

You are not obligated to take your child to your own parish at the time and date the sacrament is offered. You can go and take your child at another time, to another parish, to another priest. In no way is any record of who celebrated first confession to be kept, there should be no certificate or memo of any kind, no list published. All of these violate the confidentiality implicit in the sacrament. All that is necessary is that you inform the DRE or catechist before first communion that your child has been given the opportunity for first confession (which is a pre-requisite for first communion). How, when, where and with whom is not an issue and you should not be pressed on the details.
I don’t know if you have ever obtained a Baptism certificate from a parish. All the Sacraments received are listed on the back with their dates, First Holy Communion, Confirmation, Marriage, Ordination, and even at the bottom Religious Profession.

Note that the Sacraments of Healing: Reconciliation and Anointing of the Sick are never recorded.

The Church says that children must be prepared to receive the Sacrament and given an opportunity to receive it.
 
My granddaughter is 7 (and a half) and wants her first confession in January in “the closet” (traditional confessional).And she shall have it!
My daughters prefer anonymity as well. My old parish made them do face-to face for first confession. My daughter didn’t want to, I thought it was stupid, but I didn’t know then what I do now. I also didn’t realize the setup until that day. Taht also didn’t let them choose their priest.
 
Face to face confessions tend to take longer.

Our parish has confessionals. And confession lines.

If we had to do face to face confessions, the wait would be interminable and people would be discouraged from coming.
 
My daughter is doing her first confession this year and the letter that she brought home says that the children will be “strongly encouraged” to do the confession face-to-face. I asked my daughter to explain to me what they are being taught in school and when she got to that part, she said that they were told that they had to make a face-to-face confession and there was even no mention of going behind the screen.

That doesn’t sound like being “strongly encouraged” to do the confession face-to-face. It sounds to me like face-to-face was the only option given to them which I have a bit of a problem with.

Comments? Suggestions?
I remember similar words when I made my first confession in the early 80s…we were told “your confession WILL be with Msgr. X and you WILL sit in a chair in front of him.” I didn’t know churches actually still had confessionals with screens until years later.

There’s no need to make this a scarier experience for the kids. We want them to want to go back again and again! Why make it harder than it has to be. 😦 I’d cause a ruckus and go over to the office waving my documentation.
 
I completely disagree. We are talking about first confessions. In my parish, that means kids are about 7-8 years old. I don’t know of any child that age who would prefer to talk to a screen (mysterious and scary) rather than a person (normal and comfortable).

Obviously, our respective positions are based on our individual experiences as children. We’ll have to agree to disagree. 🙂
My first confession was at about age 7 and I probably confessed not listening to my mom and not doing my homework on time…and maybe stepping on ants. I was ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED. It was not a positive experience to do it face to face.

We’re all so different…That’s why it would be good to give the kids the choice, so they can have a screen or not, without feeling that one or the other will better please their parents, priest, or teachers.

cecilia
 
You are not obligated to take your child to your own parish at the time and date the sacrament is offered. You can go and take your child at another time, to another parish, to another priest. In no way is any record of who celebrated first confession to be kept, there should be no certificate or memo of any kind, no list published. All of these violate the confidentiality implicit in the sacrament.
Puzzleannie, I would love this to be true but I’m not sure. I did my first confession in the Houston diocese relatively near you, and there is still a record of it in that parish to this day. In fact I had to have that record printed before my wedding, and again for my annulment paperwork. There is a certificate at the church showing the celebrant of the sacrament and the date, and for my marriage and annulment it had to be typed onto the back of my babtismal certificate.

cecilia
 
Puzzleannie, I would love this to be true but I’m not sure. I did my first confession in the Houston diocese relatively near you, and there is still a record of it in that parish to this day. In fact I had to have that record printed before my wedding, and again for my annulment paperwork. There is a certificate at the church showing the celebrant of the sacrament and the date, and for my marriage and annulment it had to be typed onto the back of my babtismal certificate.

cecilia
Good grief. If accurate, that seems outrageous to me. There should be no record of first confessions, second confessions, or 5,387th confessions.
 
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