Dreams about the rapture

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Hi guys. I’ve beeing watching some videos these days on youtube and I noticed that there are too many non catholic people there claiming that they are having “prophetic dreams” about the pre-tribulation rapture. As long as I know early chrstians didn’t believe in such a think and the “rapture” became popular after a “prophetic dream”.

I read the entire chapter of Matthew 24 and what I could understand is that Jesus will come for his church after the great tribulation. Every day there are more and more people claming to have such visions, so I would like to know what is your position on this?, because I also think the church will have to go through the tribulation, the bible itself tells that.
 
H I would like to know what is your position on this?, .
Remember, Matthew wrote his gospel for a Jewish audience. His meaning in that context may not translate as well for a gentile audience. As to people concerning themselves with the apocalyptic language of tribulation and end times, no one has an exact definition of what and when it will be like.

My take as a Catholic, stay faithful to my Catholic teaching, partake in the Mass and the sacraments as often as possible, stay out of any egregiously sinful situations and obey the commandments as Jesus told the young rich man.

Then go outside (it’s a spectacular day here in W. PA) and tend the garden, go fishing, play ball with the little kids across the street, and enjoy the beauty of life God gives us, and stop worrying about something you can’t control

That’s my position.

Shalom
 
My basic personality says stay here and fight for Christ! Let the bean counters rapture!
 
Here is what I wrote for a similar thread, as usual most everything in here is stolen from theologians! So far as the dreams these people are having, I give you the advice of St John Bosco, ignore them.
Here is a piece of my conversation with another Protestant who was asking me about Revelations, the Rapture, and the end of time.

On to the Second Coming of Jesus. How does Jesus talk about His Second Coming, not in Revelations but in the Gospels. Jesus says He will come soon! He talks about wars and rumors of wars (Matthew 24). In Matthew 24 Jesus says that the sun will be darkened and the stars will fall from the sky. Then just a couple sentences later Jesus says this generation will not pass away until these things take place. Well to double down on that, when you translate it literally, Jesus says within 40 years these things will happen. So, is Jesus wrong? I mean the sun is still shining and the stars are still in the sky. In fact, many people take this to mean that Jesus is wrong, and if He is wrong then He cannot be God, in fact there is a book called “Why I’m not a Christian" because of this.

So Jesus leaves the temple and says not one stone will be left standing on another. Is there a correlation between the destruction of the temple and the falling of the stars? In practically the same breath Jesus is talking about these two events. Then in the year 70, the Romans come in and sack Jerusalem and destroy the temple. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of Jews were killed, but how many Christians died? None, because Jesus gives us the signs, and he says when you see the desolating sacrilege, the thing that desecrates the temple, when the act that would make God leave His temple happens, run to the mountains. What happened, the Romans brought in an eagle and set it up in the temple, and all the Christians fled.

Is Matthew 24 talking about the end of the world or the destruction of the temple? It is interesting to note that Jesus always talks about these things as if there are linked. Why, well you have to understand the significance of the destruction of the temple. The temple was more than a building, the temple was a symbol of the world. Look to the Psalms, God built His sanctuary, like the high heavens and the earth. For Jews the world is one gigantic temple, because the world was created to praise and adore God. For Jews the world has three parts, the sky, the land and the sea, so did the temple. The curtains in the temple were blue and purple, for the sky. There was also a veil in the temple, and on this veil, all the stars were painted. Outside the temple was a huge pool for ritual washing, this symbolized the sea. Now if the temple is a symbol of the world, what would it mean for the temple to be destroyed? Well to an ancient Jew, it would mean the world was being destroyed. The destruction of the temple was an event of huge significance, it cannot be understated how significant this event was! So, when Jesus wants to talk about the end of the world to His Jewish disciples how does He do it, by connecting His Second Coming with the destruction of the temple. In fact, in the Catechism of the Catholic Church it specifically states that the destruction of the temple marked a dawning of a new age in salvation history.

What about the falling stars? Well look at the words in the way they were meant to be read. In the ancient world, nobody had smart phones to tell the seasons. You used the sun to tell you what time it was, you used the moon to tell you the month and the stars to tell you the season. Now when the prophets wanted to talk about coming judgement what image did they use? The stars are falling from the sky, when the prophets tell the Egyptians that judgement is coming on them, like Isaiah, says that the sky will roll up and the stars will fall from heaven. What is he saying? The stars are falling from the sky, your time is done, your season has ended.

So, what is Jesus saying? He is talking about the end of time but He is also talking about the judgement, the judgement of the wicked Jerusalem. Remember all the prophets were killed in Jerusalem by the high priests and their fathers, and now they were going to kill Jesus, and the judgement would fall on that generation. See Matthew 23, right before all of this, Jesus tells the Pharisee’s this outright.

Now in Revelations you hear about a wicked city. Revelations is talking about the Second Coming but as in the Gospels it links the Second Coming with the destruction of the temple. This city is as bad as Sodom, it is as bad as Egypt, and where is this city? It is where the Lord was crucified. There is also another city mention, Babylon, this once again is a spiritual description of the wickedness of Jerusalem. Think about what the high priest said “We have no king but Caesar” here he was committing the ultimate rejection of God. There is God standing next to him and the governor, the representative, the face of Caesar next to him and he chooses Caesar.

Continuing, there is the alliance between the wicked leadership of Jerusalem and the Roman government. This alliance is described as the beast (Rome) and the false prophet (Jerusalem). It is also described as two beasts, one from the sea (Rome) and the other which comes from the land (Jerusalem). It is also described as a beast (Rome) and a whore (Jerusalem) who rides on the beast, which later turns and devours her (the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD). Remember God’s covenant with the Jews, they are supposed to be in a covenant relationship with God, and those who were not faithful were considered to be adulterous. In fact, Jeremiah describes Israel as God’s bride and God as the husband, but Israel is unfaithful and the prophets describe her as a whore. Ultimately what happens, the Romans turn on Jerusalem and they burn down the temple.
 
Remember, Matthew wrote his gospel for a Jewish audience. His meaning in that context may not translate as well for a gentile audience. As to people concerning themselves with the apocalyptic language of tribulation and end times, no one has an exact definition of what and when it will be like.

My take as a Catholic, stay faithful to my Catholic teaching, partake in the Mass and the sacraments as often as possible, stay out of any egregiously sinful situations and obey the commandments as Jesus told the young rich man.

Then go outside (it’s a spectacular day here in W. PA) and tend the garden, go fishing, play ball with the little kids across the street, and enjoy the beauty of life God gives us, and stop worrying about something you can’t control

That’s my position.

Shalom
This^^

If really curious, get a good book on Eschatology. Your priest can recommend one.

Also read this: Scroll down to CATHOLIC Eschatology

newadvent.org/cathen/05528b.htm
 
The Rapture ; Catholic Answers tract

Lots of links to more articles on this subject from a Catholic perspective HERE
The tract says Catholics hold to Amillenialism and that the passage in scripture referring to the rapture, is well, called the rapture but we do not hold the same definition of rapture as the recent Protestant doctrine of the event.
What’s the Catholic Position?

As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been “amillennial” (as has been the majority Christian position in general, including that of the Protestant Reformers), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called “millenarianism” (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism “cannot safely be taught,” though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue.

With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word “rapture” to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17—“we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]).
 
There ain’t no rapture; that teaching was unknown until the 1800s; so these folks were just having a comforting dream.

Best leave it @ that.

ICXC NIKA
 
Mm, yep, wrote a bit about that, including using David Currie as one of the sources.

The original poster’s question was about whether anyone has had dreams about the Rapture. This “Catholics say they’re having dreams about it” business must be a new thing. The Rapture believers seem to be more likely to have day-mares rather than nightmares or dreams. Even David Currie had one, and they tend to be the same: so-and-so cannot find anyone. Did the Rapture take my family? Where are they? Where are they? They’re usually at the store or something benign like that. Very common to have that panic attack moment, though.

Of course if you hold to the framework of the post-Rapture end of the age, it’s not surprising that people would want to be Raptured out of those awful times.

My thinking is that if you’re not right with the LORD’s First Coming, it doesn’t matter what form the Second Coming would take; you need to get right and get ready. Stick with the LORD whatever happens …
 
As a former evangelical, I’ll tell you that many protestants spend WAY too much time worrying about the rapture. It got really bad in the '90s after the Brownsville “revival”. I remember our congregation had a mini-series from the '70s about the “mark of the beast” and the rapture and tribulation that we watched and obsessed over every Wednesday evening for months. It was UNHEALTHY. I was eleven years old, and it got so bad that every morning when I woke up the first thought in my head was “What if the rapture happened while I was asleep and I got left behind?” Then I would runs out of my room to make sure my mom was still there. I would rush through showers because I didn’t want to be naked when Jesus came back.

Then those stupid books and the movie with Kirk Cameron came out, and we obsessed all over again. Premillennial theology is probably reason 718,412 why I’m no longer protestant.
 
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