Dreams and evil spirits

[Skye_Ariel]

I must admit. I often pray during dreams and things turn out good. Haven’t had a nightmare in a while…hope one isn’t round the corner

I never have nightmares thank God. I think I’ve had like maybe 4 in my whole life. One I remember having as a kid about a big white dog who wasn’t doing anything just watching me but for some reason it was his eyes that scared the bejeepers out of me. Another one from when I was a kid was about a big huge machine like thing as big as a house going down the street absorbing everything into itself like a black hole and there was nowhere to run or hide and it was coming my way. The other few I can’t remember.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Sometimes things just happen. The devil doesn’t cause all bad things. Lots of things come about from choices we make or choices other people made like those who choose to drink and drive etc. Sometimes things just happen, the ground is wet or slippery with ice and someone slides on the ice and has an accident. :shrug:Things just happen. The devil didn’t put the ice there just to get you, wet ground and cold weather equals ice.

Yes, I believe you’re right, but I believe Satan has the power to cause an auto accident or cutting one’s finger with a sharp knife. I also believe that Satan can greatly influence the choices we make.

 

[dshix]

Yes, I believe you’re right, but I believe Satan has the power to cause an auto accident or cutting one’s finger with a sharp knife. I also believe that Satan can greatly influence the choices we make.

I don’t really think so. Do you have some evidence to support this?

 

[Robert_Sock]

I don’t really think so. Do you have some evidence to support this?

The Book of Job! Satan was causing all sorts of ‘accidents’ that affected Job’s life.

 

[dshix]

The Book of Job! Satan was causing all sorts of ‘accidents’ that affected Job’s life.

WITH the direct permission of God. God rarely permits demons to wreak havoc in our lives, and most of the time the most demons can do is put thoughts into our minds; they cannot control our bodies, move matter without special permission from God, or kill us.

 

[SweetLambs]

That sounds like your unconscious dealing with temptations and how you resisted the temptation and the angel beating them symbolizes that in your mind.

Dreams are just things our mind makes up. Last night I dreamed alien spaceships were flying in the sky and it was on the news and news helicopters were trying to follow them and everyone was outside looking and then something was on fire and firemen were putting the fire out but they all had their shirts off and were bare chested and looked good. LOL! They were all running around putting out the fires and I was watching. Dreams just come from your mind’s unconscious.

Yes, this pretty much. I have nightmares all the time and don’t place much importance on them. Invariably they are either something awful happening to my sheep or something awful happening at school (like a missed assignment or a prof who just gave an unbearable load of homework). I have nightmares that my ewes aborted, that they were being chased and killed by dogs (these wake me up and I have a pounding heart and am covered with sweat…too real), etc. It’s because I am reading about stuff like that before bed or am stressed out about something. LOL!

Once I even had a dream that there was an alien spacecraft hovering over our house. I was in the yard, paralyzed with fear. My pulse was way up. It was making this whooshing sound…when I woke up in a panic, I realized that it was just our food dehydrator making that noise and somehow it carried over in my dream. No, I don’t believe in extra-terrestrials and I don’t even watch shows like that.

Once I dropped that really bad class last semester, my stress levels went WAY down and I went back to having mostly boring day-to-day life dreams.

 

[DevotedChild]

I think that the Church doesn’t say all demonic type stuff is mental illness. But exorcists will advise I think usually to clear any possible mental Illiness possibilities first.

But I for one agree that satan can certainly enter our dreams

both are true. an exorcist must have his patients take an physological exam to rule out that first before assuming or doing anything to someone who may be possessed.

Dreams are a powerful tool for the devil, as that it leads to our subconscious and such.

I do remember having a dream that I had as a young child that was certainly demonically influenced. It was such a terrible nightmare.

 

[DevotedChild]

WITH the direct permission of God. God rarely permits demons to wreak havoc in our lives, and most of the time the most demons can do is put thoughts into our minds; they cannot control our bodies, move matter without special permission from God, or kill us.

Yes and no. Yes they must have God’s permission and no because demons can GAIN control of our bodies if we let them or have too weak a spirit to fight them off on our own, thus, a possession happens. It also depends on how strong the demon is. Just like their is the Choir of Angels with each rank of angel have more power than the other as you go up the latter, it’s the same with demons. Weaker demons are the most common and known ones can only do as much as of influencing one’s thoughts. However, there are more power demons, the ones that can physically throw things and such, cause hallucinations, try and take possession, physically hurt us, the ones that horror stories are made of and based on. Like the true story of the Anavile Horror and its still active demon.

 

[dshix]

Yes and no. Yes they must have God’s permission and no because demons can GAIN control of our bodies if we let them or have too weak a spirit to fight them off on our own, thus, a possession happens. It also depends on how strong the demon is. Just like their is the Choir of Angels with each rank of angel have more power than the other as you go up the latter, it’s the same with demons. Weaker demons are the most common and known ones can only do as much as of influencing one’s thoughts. However, there are more power demons, the ones that can physically throw things and such, cause hallucinations, try and take possession, physically hurt us, the ones that horror stories are made of and based on. Like the true story of the Anavile Horror and its still active demon.

You are correct, but I was answering to Robert in the context in which we do not open ourselves to demons. THAT is an entirely different, and much more frightening situation, because not only is our health in danger, but also our soul.

Even more powerful demons do not do “horror story” things unless in special circumstances, such as in the case of saints.

If they were permitted to always do such things, everyone on earth would be constantly tormented.

 

[Robert_Sock]

WITH the direct permission of God. God rarely permits demons to wreak havoc in our lives, and most of the time the most demons can do is put thoughts into our minds; they cannot control our bodies, move matter without special permission from God, or kill us.

God does permit Satan to test us too!

Also, look at the New Testament about Christ expelling demons that were causing havoc in their life.

 

[dshix]

God does permit Satan to test us too!

Also, look at the New Testament about Christ expelling demons that were causing havoc in their life.

Yes, demons can test us; causing us to die in a car crash isn’t testing, it’s killing. However, you are correct.

As to demons in persons, I’d recommend a very good book, “Exorcism and the Church Militant”, by Rev. Thomas J. Euteneuer.

All of his pieces are home run hitters, but this book outlines VERY well all the different details around how a person can become possessed or oppressed.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Speaking an whether ‘accidents’ are really accidental, I just found out my friend was in a car accident and has a broken collar bone and shoulder blade.

 

[clem456]

I don’t know the Church’s official theology on dreams and possession, but I will relate my experience with demonic dreams.

At one time I was enslaved badly by lust and other very evil deeds. I had several very real dreams of the demonic that were absolutely terrifying. They dreams threatened no physical harm, but were just a lurking presence, a smell, a breath, a greasy texture to a skin, black dirty feathers or fur, that was absolutely terrifying. To the point of waking up gasping and not being able to close my eyes to the dark for a good while. And I am not a superstitous or easy to scare person. The hair is standing on my arms as I think about it. Absolutley terrifying. Nothing in real life has frightened me as bad as these dreams.

Because I was heavily into lust I also had recurring dreams of women that would not leave. I would pop awake with anxiety several times over the course of the night and could not shake them. This would usually be on a day when I had viewed pornography. I would have normally considered these images to be attractive, but at 1 and 3 and 5 am they are a torture.

These dreams were very real experiences for me spiritually, and I thank God that he allowed me to be tortured by them, as they were an excellent motivator to break away from lust. I look on them now as blessings. I believe that these were a foretaste of what I had chosen for the next life, and they literally scared the hell out of me.

 

[dshix]

Speaking an whether ‘accidents’ are really accidental, I just found out my friend was in a car accident and has a broken collar bone and shoulder blade.

Listen, Robert. You MUST NOT permit circumstantial evidence to affect your moral beliefs. Go and find evidence for things, DO NOT take outside events from an emotional standpoint (as you just did) and permit them to mold your ideas. You need facts, not circumstances. I would strongly suggest you submit a question in the Ask an Apologist forums as to this issue, as you should be well informed in matters concerning the supernatural.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Listen, Robert. You MUST NOT permit circumstantial evidence to affect your moral beliefs. Go and find evidence for things, DO NOT take outside events from an emotional standpoint (as you just did) and permit them to mold your ideas. You need facts, not circumstances. I would strongly suggest you submit a question in the Ask an Apologist forums as to this issue, as you should be well informed in matters concerning the supernatural.

Some coincidence isn’t it?

 

[dshix]

Some coincidence isn’t it?

You didn’t listen at all, did you?

 

[DevotedChild]

Even more powerful demons do not do “horror story” things unless in special circumstances, such as in the case of saints.

If they were permitted to always do such things, everyone on earth would be constantly tormented.

They do do so beyond some of the saints. I have heard plenty of real stories to know that demons do attack people beyond the saints. Hense, why some people get possessed. I had a friend who dealt with demons or a bad, trapped soul because she would always wake up with scratches and bruises in the shape of hands, and no she was not abused by anyone. I have even seen a demon that tried to touch me once as a kid and when I was sleeping in my basement for a time I would see bright red eyes starring at me from across the room. The Anavile Horror is a true story, the book was written by one who was involved in the actual story, i think. To think that demons cant and wont do things to people is just right harmful to yourself because the devil and his demons may take advantage of that.

 

[dshix]

They do do so beyond some of the saints. I have heard plenty of real stories to know that demons do attack people beyond the saints. Hense, why some people get possessed. I had a friend who dealt with demons or a bad, trapped soul because she would always wake up with scratches and bruises in the shape of hands, and no she was not abused by anyone. I have even seen a demon that tried to touch me once as a kid and when I was sleeping in my basement for a time I would see bright red eyes starring at me from across the room. The Anavile Horror is a true story, the book was written by one who was involved in the actual story, i think. To think that demons cant and wont do things to people is just right harmful to yourself because the devil and his demons may take advantage of that.

I don’t think you quite understand what I’m saying.

Demons do do these things, IF you give them a window to do so or if God permits them to do so. You probably know that there are people who have actually told a demon to come into them, and the demon gladly complies. That person has just permitted evil to enter into their person, and results can be drastic.

These are cases of “perfect possession,” in which the person seems perfectly normal, can touch holy water or other holy items without flinching, and can debate clearly on subjects of religion. But inside, they are malicious, because they have directly given themselves to Satan.

Now, this is an extreme example of a person opening their whole spirit to evil. There are more subtle forms. People even slightly involved in the occult, or who are cursed, or who get involved with Satanic orders or rituals, are partially opening themselves to demons, who can enter.

There are different levels of demons that can enter, therefore causing different kinds of problems.

Now, how does this tie in to what I said? Demons CAN’T get into you without **someone **giving them permission. You have to let them, or a Satanic priest can curse you and ask a demon to attack you, or God can permit a demon to oppress you for whatever reason he may have.

Demons DO NOT randomly enter people unless those people have in some way been made vulnerable. Demons can’t affect matter unless someone has given them permission. (including God or Satanists)

Therefore, you cannot conclude that person died in a car crash because a demon caused it unless you know that the person was possessed or somehow the car was cursed or anything else involved.

Do you see what I’m saying?

 

[Robert_Sock]

WITH the direct permission of God.

How do you know God is not giving Satan His direct permission to torment us?

God rarely permits demons to wreak havoc in our lives, and most of the time the most demons can do is put thoughts into our minds;

Do you have a good reference for this? One based on Catholic teachings?

they cannot control our bodies, move matter without special permission from God, or kill us.

Again, how do you know this? I think we disagree, but would like your responses first.

 

[DevotedChild]

I don’t think you quite understand what I’m saying.

Demons do do these things, IF you give them a window to do so or if God permits them to do so. You probably know that there are people who have actually told a demon to come into them, and the demon gladly complies. That person has just permitted evil to enter into their person, and results can be drastic.

These are cases of “perfect possession,” in which the person seems perfectly normal, can touch holy water or other holy items without flinching, and can debate clearly on subjects of religion. But inside, they are malicious, because they have directly given themselves to Satan.

Now, this is an extreme example of a person opening their whole spirit to evil. There are more subtle forms. People even slightly involved in the occult, or who are cursed, or who get involved with Satanic orders or rituals, are partially opening themselves to demons, who can enter.

There are different levels of demons that can enter, therefore causing different kinds of problems.

Now, how does this tie in to what I said? Demons CAN’T get into you without **someone **giving them permission. You have to let them, or a Satanic priest can curse you and ask a demon to attack you, or God can permit a demon to oppress you for whatever reason he may have.

Demons DO NOT randomly enter people unless those people have in some way been made vulnerable. Demons can’t affect matter unless someone has given them permission. (including God or Satanists)

Therefore, you cannot conclude that person died in a car crash because a demon caused it unless you know that the person was possessed or somehow the car was cursed or anything else involved.

Do you see what I’m saying?

I see what you are saying but it is somewhat incorrect.

If a demon at all sees a weakness in a person, they will exploit it. If a person is spiritually weak, the demon doesn’t have to ask permission of the person nor have the person willing, the demon will take possession of that person if they think that’s the best way to get to that person. You don’t always have to have dealt with the occult or the like to have a demon attack you. There are plenty of people out there that just happen to run into a demon because they may be haunting a place or in just being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

I don’t conclude that simple accidents happen because of demons, merely that their influence is out there and more common than what you may believe.