Dreams and evil spirits

[Robert_Sock]

“One English philosopher - Professor C.E.M. Joad was converted to Christianity because he came to the conclusion that it is impossible for all the diabolical malice and cruelty in the world to be explained scientifically…”
-Tonyrey

 

[fred_conty]

Here is an interesting story of someone who had bad dreams relating to devils.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=690740&page=3

“…Dreams of demons holding me down while i slept and trying to strangle me. Horrid stuff.”…“Also, i’ve never suffered from those terrifying dreams while i slept with me scapulars on. I have a green one and a blue/black St Michael one. They 're a bit grotty after never taking them off but i reckon its worth it.”

Mary and St. Michael are known in scripture as the ones strongest against Satan.

 

[Skye_Ariel]

Here is an interesting story of someone who had bad dreams relating to devils.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=690740&page=3

“…Dreams of demons holding me down while i slept and trying to strangle me. Horrid stuff.”…“Also, i’ve never suffered from those terrifying dreams while i slept with me scapulars on. I have a green one and a blue/black St Michael one. They 're a bit grotty after never taking them off but i reckon its worth it.”

Mary and St. Michael are known in scripture as the ones strongest against Satan.

That sounds like sleep paralysis. It’s a sleep disorder where the part of your brain that keeps you immobile so you won’t act out your dreams, is still in effect after you start to wake up. Usually your brain turns that off before you wake up but for some, sometimes they wake up before their brain turns off the immobilizing part and people wake up unable to move and feel like something is holding them down etc. Then they panic and have nightmares because they are scared and still half asleep and it all feels real because you are partially awake. It’s like the opposite of sleepwalking where that part of the brain turns off while someone is still asleep so they get up and act out their dreams even though they are still asleep.

This is from WebMD

webmd.com/sleep-disorders/guide/sleep-paralysis

Have you ever felt like you were awake but unable to move? You might have even felt afraid but could not call for help? This condition is called sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis may leave you feeling frightened, especially if you also see or hear things that aren’t really there. Sleep paralysis may happen only once, or you may have it frequently – even several times a night.

The good news: sleep paralysis is not considered a dangerous health problem. Read on to find out more about sleep paralysis, its possible causes, and its treatment.

Sleep researchers conclude that, in most cases, sleep paralysis is simply a sign that your body is not moving smoothly through the stages of sleep. Rarely is sleep paralysis linked to deep underlying psychiatric problems.

Over the centuries, symptoms of sleep paralysis have been described in many ways and often attributed to an “evil” presence: unseen night demons in ancient times, the old hag in Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet, and alien abductors. Almost every culture throughout history has had stories of shadowy evil creatures that terrify helpless humans at night. People have long sought explanations for this mysterious sleep-time paralysis and the accompanying feelings of terror.

What Is Sleep Paralysis?

Sleep paralysis is a feeling of being conscious but unable to move. It occurs when a person passes between stages of wakefulness and sleep. During these transitions, you may be unable to move or speak for a few seconds up to a few minutes. Some people may also feel pressure or a sense of choking. Sleep paralysis may accompany other sleep disorders such as narcolepsy. Narcolepsy is an overpowering need to sleep caused by a problem with the brain’s ability to regulate sleep.

 

[fred_conty]

Skye Ariel, good response.
Sleep paralysis sounds like what this might be. But then when he said he took off the scapulars, they returned, and when he had the scapulars on, he didn’t experience them.

Just another thought.

 

[Skye_Ariel]

Skye Ariel, good response.
Sleep paralysis sounds like what this might be. But then when he said he took off the scapulars, they returned, and when he had the scapulars on, he didn’t experience them.

Just another thought.

Thanks! Okay I see.

 

[dshix]

I see what you are saying but it is somewhat incorrect.

If a demon at all sees a weakness in a person, they will exploit it. If a person is spiritually weak, the demon doesn’t have to ask permission of the person nor have the person willing, the demon will take possession of that person if they think that’s the best way to get to that person. You don’t always have to have dealt with the occult or the like to have a demon attack you. There are plenty of people out there that just happen to run into a demon because they may be haunting a place or in just being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

I don’t conclude that simple accidents happen because of demons, merely that their influence is out there and more common than what you may believe.

I partially agree, partially disagree. Demons WILL exploit weaknesses in a person, definitely, but that does not usually go as far as oppression, and rarely goes as far as possession. To become possessed you really need to have endangered yourself by becoming involved in the occult or reading occult material, when you know better.

Different people can be exposed to demons in different ways. For example, a naive person who knows nothing about the occult and dabbles with a ouijia board for a few minutes is not likely to become possessed, because they aren’t really intentionally opening the door to demonic activity, but just acting out of curiosity. However, if I played with that board, I would definitely be implicitly inviting a demon because I KNOW that is an occult item.

As an aside, permit me to clarify what I mean by “giving permission” or “opening the door” to a demon. I don’t mean just the straight-out telling the demon, “Come into me, demon,” but this also includes implicit acceptance, such as reading occult material, getting into occult affairs, playing with occult items, or just plain living an evil life with no care for protection from evil.

Problems can also happen, as you said, from places or persons being oppressed, but that doesn’t usually oppress the person themselves, it just affects them when near that place or person.

Also, I definitely agree with you that demonic activity is very common in the world, I definitely agree with that, having seen some of it myself. The reason I am posting in this thread, however, is in response to Robert. I fully disagree that demons interfere with trivial things or cause deaths by natural accidents or in cars, etc.

If he can provide some proof to support his claim, I’ll gladly see what he can pull up.

 

[Robert_Sock]

. [snip] The reason I am posting in this thread, however, is in response to Robert. I fully disagree that demons interfere with trivial things or cause deaths by natural accidents or in cars, etc.

If he can provide some proof to support his claim, I’ll gladly see what he can pull up.

No written support. I’ve seen these things though through mediation, contemplation and my own personal observations and experiences.

 

[dshix]

No written support. I’ve seen these things though through mediation, contemplation and my own personal observations and experiences.

So how do you know you aren’t just confusing yourself? When a person attempts to form decisions concerning the supernatural without making use of the teachings of the Church, they can become truly confused indeed.

Trust God. Jesus founded His Church to be infallible on matters of faith and morals, and it has all the answers. Just ask, and you will find. Don’t wear yourself out attempting to figure things out yourself, or risk becoming confused.

 

[clem456]

I partially agree, partially disagree. Demons WILL exploit weaknesses in a person, definitely, **but that does not usually go as far as oppression, and rarely goes as far as possession. **To become possessed you really need to have endangered yourself by becoming involved in the occult or reading occult material, when you know better.

Different people can be exposed to demons in different ways. For example, a naive person who knows nothing about the occult and dabbles with a ouijia board for a few minutes is not likely to become possessed, because they aren’t really intentionally opening the door to demonic activity, but just acting out of curiosity. However, if I played with that board, I would definitely be implicitly inviting a demon because I KNOW that is an occult item.

As an aside, permit me to clarify what I mean by “giving permission” or “opening the door” to a demon. I don’t mean just the straight-out telling the demon, “Come into me, demon,” but this also includes implicit acceptance, such as reading occult material, getting into occult affairs, playing with occult items, or just plain living an evil life with no care for protection from evil.

Problems can also happen, as you said, from places or persons being oppressed, but that doesn’t usually oppress the person themselves, it just affects them when near that place or person.

Also, I definitely agree with you that demonic activity is very common in the world, I definitely agree with that, having seen some of it myself. The reason I am posting in this thread, however, is in response to Robert. I fully disagree that demons interfere with trivial things or cause deaths by natural accidents or in cars, etc.

**If he can provide some proof **to support his claim, I’ll gladly see what he can pull up.

There’s no proof of anything in the spiritual life. How is any of what you say provable? We know that demons exist and they have spiritual power above ours. If we are to believe the message of the Gospel, they can enter the physical world and cause harm.

 

[dshix]

There’s no proof of anything in the spiritual life. How is any of what you say provable? We know that demons exist and they have spiritual power above ours. If we are to believe the message of the Gospel, they can enter the physical world and cause harm.

Revelation and the teaching of the Church.

 

[Robert_Sock]

So how do you know you aren’t just confusing yourself? When a person attempts to form decisions concerning the supernatural without making use of the teachings of the Church, they can become truly confused indeed.

Trust God. Jesus founded His Church to be infallible on matters of faith and morals, and it has all the answers. Just ask, and you will find. Don’t wear yourself out attempting to figure things out yourself, or risk becoming confused.

I really have no choice but listen to the spirit within me. It’s been right so many times.

 

[dshix]

I really have no choice but listen to the spirit within me. It’s been right so many times.

You have a choice. Whether you choose to follow your personal inclinations or the Church, however, is between you and God.

 

[Robert_Sock]

You have a choice. Whether you choose to follow your personal inclinations or the Church, however, is between you and God.

I believe that, God willing, Satan can cause death (e.g., car accident).

 

[Kithrus]

1. the devil doesn’t do all evil that happens
2. the church doesn’t want you losing sleep over every nightmare you have
3. st Thomas A wrote that angels and demons function in the world of wills. They can’t enter a place you don’t want them to be. Kinda like movie vampires and homes indeed that’s where the myth began!

Talk to your priest if your truly worried. That aside don’t loss sleep.

 

[clem456]

EWTN radio is discussing this very issue right now.
4pm EST

 

[Kasmalim]

I had a weird dream myself a few days ago. In the dream all the people were against me, so I decided to leave and go “my own way”, and then I met this boy who was also on my path. Eventually we entered this ancient and abandoned “bridge-station” which was a really massive underground building, but when we got to the bridge all that was there were the foundations. Everything was like a war-zone and then we got scared and started running through slime and sewage. Then I noticed that the boy was speaking to someone, but no one was there, and when I asked him he said “I’m talking to the little girl, don’t you see her”? I realized he’d gone mad “because of the spirits” so I left him and started running because I began to feel and glimpse demons around, and started screaming “Angel of God! My guardian dear, please be at my side!” over and over again, and then the dream just ended. It’s the first time I ever prayed in a dream, but it was a really nice experience.

 

[GeorgeTM]

I recently had this dream and I am wondering if anyone has any idea what it means.

I dreamt that I was standing in front of a large stack of carpets. I began to recite the Lords Prayer and as I did the words appeared on the carpet as if typed or texted in gold on the carpets. I continued to pray and the prayers keep appearing on the carpets in 2 columns of 5 golden prayers totaling 10 prayers. As I finished a carpet it was lifted up and placed to my left. I continued to recite the prayers over and over again for a long period. I then became consciously aware that I was observing my self reciting the prayers over and over again hundreds of times. I then became aware that I was awake and I was aware that I was reciting the prayers. I understood that The prayer had to be recited perfectly at a specific pace. I then became aware that I was actually worshiping God adoring God and in a deep sense of love for God as I recited the prayer and completed the carpets. I was actually for the first time in my life in the presence of God I could feel his love which is beyond description. But I could also feel great sorrow because so many of his children had turned away from him. I also became aware that I was not the only one reciting the prayers and making the carpets. I could not say if it was only 1 person or many because I had to concentrate all my thought into the prayers because they had to be said without flaw. But I knew they were there. I was told that the prayers were very important because a great calamity is coming over the world soon and many would suffer. I continued to recite the prayers over and over hundreds of times. I then finished a carpet as it was placed to my left Gods presence was gone and I knew I should stop praying.

 

[GeorgeTM]

I dreamt that I was standing in front of a large stack of carpets. I began to recite the Lords Prayer and as I did the words appeared on the carpet as if typed or texted in gold on the carpets. I continued to pray and the prayers keep appearing on the carpets in 2 columns of 5 golden prayers totaling 10 prayers. As I finished a carpet it was lifted up and placed to my left. I continued to recite the prayers over and over again for a long period. I then became consciously aware that I was observing my self reciting the prayers over and over again hundreds of times. I then became aware that I was awake and I was aware that I was reciting the prayers. I understood that The prayer had to be recited perfectly at a specific pace. I then became aware that I was actually worshiping God adoring God and in a deep sense of love for God as I recited the prayer and completed the carpets. I was actually for the first time in my life in the presence of God I could feel his love which is beyond description. But I could also feel great sorrow because so many of his children had turned away from him. I also became aware that I was not the only one reciting the prayers and making the carpets. I could not say if it was only 1 person or many because I had to concentrate all my thought into the prayers because they had to be said without flaw. But I knew they were there. I was told that the prayers were very important because a great calamity is coming over the world soon and many would suffer. I continued to recite the prayers over and over hundreds of times. I then finished a carpet as it was placed to my left Gods presence was gone and I knew I should stop praying.

 

[GeorgeTM]

I dreamt that I was standing in front of a large stack of carpets. I began to recite the Lords Prayer and as I did the words appeared on the carpet as if typed or texted in gold on the carpets. I continued to pray and the prayers keep appearing on the carpets in 2 columns of 5 golden prayers totaling 10 prayers. As I finished a carpet it was lifted up and placed to my left. I continued to recite the prayers over and over again for a long period. I then became consciously aware that I was observing my self reciting the prayers over and over again hundreds of times. I then became aware that I was awake and I was aware that I was reciting the prayers. I understood that The prayer had to be recited perfectly at a specific pace. I then became aware that I was actually worshiping God adoring God and in a deep sense of love for God as I recited the prayer and completed the carpets. I was actually for the first time in my life in the presence of God I could feel his love which is beyond description. But I could also feel great sorrow because so many of his children had turned away from him. I also became aware that I was not the only one reciting the prayers and making the carpets. I could not say if it was only 1 person or many because I had to concentrate all my thought into the prayers because they had to be said without flaw. But I knew they were there. I was told that the prayers were very important because a great calamity is coming over the world soon and many would suffer. I continued to recite the prayers over and over hundreds of times. I then finished a carpet as it was placed to my left Gods presence was gone and I knew I should stop praying.

 

[GeorgeTM]

I recently had this dream and hoped someone could help me make sense of the meaning.

I dreamt that I was standing in front of a large stack of carpets. I began to recite the Lords Prayer and as I did the words appeared on the carpet as if typed or texted in gold on the carpets. I continued to pray and the prayers keep appearing on the carpets in 2 columns of 5 golden prayers totaling 10 prayers. As I finished a carpet it was lifted up and placed to my left. I continued to recite the prayers over and over again for a long period. I then became consciously aware that I was observing my self reciting the prayers over and over again hundreds of times. I then became aware that I was awake and I was aware that I was reciting the prayers. I understood that The prayer had to be recited perfectly at a specific pace. I then became aware that I was actually worshiping God adoring God and in a deep sense of love for God as I recited the prayer and completed the carpets. I was actually for the first time in my life in the presence of God I could feel his love which is beyond description. But I could also feel great sorrow because so many of his children had turned away from him. I also became aware that I was not the only one reciting the prayers and making the carpets. I could not say if it was only 1 person or many because I had to concentrate all my thought into the prayers because they had to be said without flaw. But I knew they were there. I was told that the prayers were very important because a great calamity is coming over the world soon and many would suffer. I continued to recite the prayers over and over hundreds of times. I then finished a carpet as it was placed to my left Gods presence was gone and I knew I should stop praying.