Drinking laws/reception of communion

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In the US there are some states in which under-21 may not consume alcohol even in a religious ceremony.
This is relatively simple to handle in the Latin rite because you can take the host and pass up the chalice. But in Eastern churches where they are distributed together, what do you do?
 
lapersonne1234 said:
In the US there are some states in which under-21 may not consume alcohol even in a religious ceremony.
This is relatively simple to handle in the Latin rite because you can take the host and pass up the chalice. But in Eastern churches where they are distributed together, what do you do?
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I would ignore the law based on Religious Freedom. And no one should be consuming so much of the wine that anyone would know they had any in their system. We are meant to take small sips, not drink ounces.
 
lapersonne1234 said:
In the US there are some states in which under-21 may not consume alcohol even in a religious ceremony.
This is relatively simple to handle in the Latin rite because you can take the host and pass up the chalice. But in Eastern churches where they are distributed together, what do you do?
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The National Minimum Drinking Age Act, which is the law that required states to raise their drinking age to 21 has an explicit exception for alcohol used for religious purposes. That law has been on the books for 30 years and I can’t find a single reference to any state challenging the exception and trying to prohibit alcohol consumption as Communion. The fact that the state laws do not all have a mirror exception doesn’t matter.

So, “what do you do”? Follow the rite for your Church and distribute Communion according to that rite.
 
Cricket2 said:
I would ignore the law based on Religious Freedom. And no one should be consuming so much of the wine that anyone would know they had any in their system. We are meant to take small sips, not drink ounces.
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Is that why I get funny looks when I go through line a third time?
 
Corki said:
The National Minimum Drinking Age Act, which is the law that required states to raise their drinking age to 21 has an explicit exception for alcohol used for religious purposes.
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That was not a law states had to follow, just coercive.
 
lapersonne1234 said:
In the US there are some states in which under-21 may not consume alcohol even in a religious ceremony.
This is relatively simple to handle in the Latin rite because you can take the host and pass up the chalice. But in Eastern churches where they are distributed together, what do you do?
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For some reason, I am doubting this, mainly because of the 1st Amendment, Some states? Which might those be, specifically.
 
lapersonne1234 said:
In the US there are some states in which under-21 may not consume alcohol even in a religious ceremony.
This is relatively simple to handle in the Latin rite because you can take the host and pass up the chalice. But in Eastern churches where they are distributed together, what do you do?
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This is just factually untrue.
 
I attend an old Church in downtown San Francisco fairly often – it’s a beautiful old Church and I love it. They do not serve wine at Communion only the host. Apparently someone complained and the priest mentioned that they do not serve the wine because there are so many beggars in San Francisco they felt they would be besieged with beggars coming to Mass just to receive the wine, not because it is the blood of Christ but because it is wine.
 
lapersonne1234 said:
In the US there are some states in which under-21 may not consume alcohol even in a religious ceremony.
This is relatively simple to handle in the Latin rite because you can take the host and pass up the chalice. But in Eastern churches where they are distributed together, what do you do?
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Consuming alcohol as part of a religious ceremony isn’t a legal problem here in the US, and wasn’t even a problem during the Prohibition era. Christians and Jews were able to get it through special, legal channels.
 
The LCMS-Lutherans commune with wine, their confirmands are given it, they average age 10-13yrs old. Never heard of a problem there.
 
PaulfromIowa said:
Forget the peyote/loco weed. Different universe. If you can find a case of a Christian Church in the US being prosecuted for giving communion wine to someone under 21, I would be happy to see it.
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Never saw one! No complainant, no investigation.
 
Buckeyeboy said:
Disregard? I would not. Although you “may” prevail in the end, such will not abrogate Probable Cause to arrest/cite.
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As the saying goes, better to reject the Blood of the Messiah, eternal life and remission of sin to play nice with the civil authorities.
 
MorEphrem said:
As the saying goes, better to reject the Blood of the Messiah, eternal life and remission of sin to play nice with the civil authorities.
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There was a case where a person sued because getting a driver’s license was the mark of the beast, US Code Title 42 section 666. The parents argued through next of friend, that doing so would damn his soul, the court rejected the argument and he could not get one if he did not have a SS#.

Religious arguments are a tenet of 1st AM law, no escaping what a person will argue.
 
Buckeyeboy said:
There was a case where a person sued because getting a driver’s license was the mark of the beast, US Code Title 42 section 666. The parents argued through next of friend, that doing so would damn his soul, the court rejected the argument and he could not get one if he did not have a SS#.

Religious arguments are a tenet of 1st AM law, no escaping what a person will argue.
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42 U.S. Code § 666 - Requirement of statutorily prescribed procedures to improve effectiveness of child support enforcement

Driver’s licenses are mandated by each State, the US Code would have nothing to do with it. The closest thing to a “federal driver’s license” may be automobile/vehicle licenses issued by the Department of Defense, which fall under a different code.
 
SyroMalankara said:
42 U.S. Code § 666 - Requirement of statutorily prescribed procedures to improve effectiveness of child support enforcement

Driver’s licenses are mandated by each State, the US Code would have nothing to do with it. The closest thing to a “federal driver’s license” may be automobile/vehicle licenses issued by the Department of Defense, which fall under a different code.
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Actually, at present, due to the “Real ID Act” (aka PL 109-13), the feds got into regulation of the issuance of drivers licenses and reformed to a national standard what is allowed and what is required on a driving license and state ID. Non-compliant ones may be issued, but are valid only in the issuing jurisdiction… since 2005. Plus, the full faith and credit clause has been invoked to require acceptance of out of state licenses for transients since the 1940’s…

49 CFR 392 is all about commercial licensing - and mandates a set of standards nation-wide for commercial driving. It dates back a way.

So, while the feds don’t directly issue licenses, they do now mandate the categories and how the physical object looks.

Feds have been increasingly tightening controls there.
 
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