Fasting implies no eating between the principal meal and collations. A milkshake or egg-based smoothie taken apart from the principal meal or smaller meals would clearly break the already simplified fast that we have today. A “drink” like that would easily have more foodstuff than what was envisioned for the collations.
Since people just keep adding on things that haven’t been said before, thus complicating the entire discussion
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And you certainly can’t puree ground beef, egg, and flour, with ketchup and have “meatloaf” smoothies just because they’re liquified!
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The man asked about milk instead of water. No one thinks of water and then arrives at spaghetti because it was boiled in water, pureed with tomato sauce and voila! Spagetti smoothie, rocking that fast like a champ!
No. It doesn’t happen. He asked about a comparison between beverages, that’s it.
Eggs can be eaten when cooked, or imbibed when raw. They are not meat. They are the pre-meat of the chicken.
Ice cream is nothing more than frozen milk,sugar, and a few other things which already comprise most between meal/collation sessions of imbibing liquid. While a milkshake is filling, which in essence breaks the notion of a fast, a small one certainly isn’t, and certainly doesn’t come anywhere near close to comprising a portion of a meal anymore than any other beverage.
This is progressed to the level of talmudic ridiculousness.
What next, can we do gardening on Sunday since it’s work, even if it is not work to us, but cathartic and allows us a chance to praise God and tend the earth He provided?
Is it work? Yes. Is it the type of work one shouldn’t do on Sunday? Depends on how the person views it. What about shopping? Does your parish have a small bookstore, or does it sell Mystic Monk coffee on Sundays during the after-Mass snack/talk/coffee time? Have you ever purchased something at the parish on a Sunday? Is this not shopping in a sense?
Know the rules, understand why they exist, and then apply accordingly, and through your conscience. No one cares about “your” spin on things, and such issues should be addressed with clearly defined canon law, which is not outdated or has been changed, or through the priest.
If the rules seem too lax for you, and milk or eggs are going to affect your conscience, is this scrupulosity or maybe just something which makes the fast more meaningful to you, above what you are called to do?
I don’t eat big meals during the day, ever, or at all. I graze. So for me, I just graze less, and with breaks which would constitute a meal. Today I had the equivalent of two pancakes and a large tater tots from Sonic. It don’t feel any hungrier now than I normally do. Maybe a little. But to follow the rules of the fast, I’d have to eat more than I normally do. Thus breaking the spirit of the fast, in the letter of the fast. Isn’t that the exact type of thing Jesus condemned?
See how ridiculous things can get when one doesn’t just examine themselves while knowing what the actual law says, and applying that which the offices above us say, so that we embrace the spirit of the observance in the way we can?
If the ruling was an amount, some would be stark raving mad by the end of the day, or passed out on the floor from drop in blood sugar, and some would be more full than usual, and some would not be able to fulfill the observation due to lack of ability.
I swear, if Jews would just convert, they’d find that nothing is different in theme, including the pointless arguing when the truth of the matter is so dang evident.
