Drinking Wine a sin?

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I know, it’s laughable…you don’t have to tell me twice.😃

I have been on an Evangelical forum lately seeing what the latest things are taught and believed. Anyways, this girl had the audacity to say that drinking wine is sinful. She then went as far to say that the wine had no alcohol. I told her that the burden of proof was upon her.

Another person chimed in saying that he wanted to see proof from Scripture that drinking wine was ok. I know there’s a passage where St. Paul tells people to drink wine to settle their stomachs or something to that effect. If someone could direct me in that direction, I would appreciate it.

In Pax Christi
Andrew
 
Harpazo said:
I know, it’s laughable…you don’t have to tell me twice.😃

I have been on an Evangelical forum lately seeing what the latest things are taught and believed. Anyways, this girl had the audacity to say that drinking wine is sinful. She then went as far to say that the wine had no alcohol. I told her that the burden of proof was upon her.

Another person chimed in saying that he wanted to see proof from Scripture that drinking wine was ok. I know there’s a passage where St. Paul tells people to drink wine to settle their stomachs or something to that effect. If someone could direct me in that direction, I would appreciate it.

In Pax Christi
Andrew
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Maybe you could get them to ask Mogan David.

And if they want proof from scripture, tell them its in the same place that says abortion is murder.
 
Harpazo said:
I know, it’s laughable…you don’t have to tell me twice.😃

I have been on an Evangelical forum lately seeing what the latest things are taught and believed. Anyways, this girl had the audacity to say that drinking wine is sinful. She then went as far to say that the wine had no alcohol. I told her that the burden of proof was upon her.

Another person chimed in saying that he wanted to see proof from Scripture that drinking wine was ok. I know there’s a passage where St. Paul tells people to drink wine to settle their stomachs or something to that effect. If someone could direct me in that direction, I would appreciate it.

In Pax Christi
Andrew
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Deuteronomy 14: 24-26 If, however, the journey is too much for you and you are not able to bring your tithe, because the place which the LORD, your God, chooses for the abode of his name is too far for you, considering how the LORD has blessed you,
25 you may exchange the tithe for money and, with the purse of money in hand, go to the place which the LORD, your God, chooses.
26 You may then exchange the money for whatever you desire, oxen or sheep, wine or strong drink, or anything else you would enjoy, and there before the LORD, your God, you shall partake of it and make merry with your family.

1 Tim 5:23 Stop drinking only water, but have a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.
 
Harpazo said:
I know, it’s laughable…you don’t have to tell me twice.😃

I have been on an Evangelical forum lately seeing what the latest things are taught and believed. Anyways, this girl had the audacity to say that drinking wine is sinful. She then went as far to say that the wine had no alcohol. I told her that the burden of proof was upon her.

Another person chimed in saying that he wanted to see proof from Scripture that drinking wine was ok. I know there’s a passage where St. Paul tells people to drink wine to settle their stomachs or something to that effect. If someone could direct me in that direction, I would appreciate it.

In Pax Christi
Andrew
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Try John 2:1-11 where Jesus turns three huge jars of water into wine. As per v. 6.
Now there were six stone water jars there for Jewish ceremonial washings, each holding twenty to thirty gallons.
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The context of the situation rules out it not being alcoholic:
9 And when the headwaiter tasted the water that had become wine, without knowing where it came from (although the servers who had drawn the water knew), the headwaiter called the bridegroom 10 and said to him, “Everyone serves good wine first, and then when people have drunk freely, an inferior one; but you have kept the good wine until now.”
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Quite clearly, the headwaiter says this, because the practice was to give people bad wine when they were too drunk to be able to tell the difference! In other words, people got drunk on the good wine, and then were given inferior wine. The waiter identifies Jesus’ wine with the good wine-- except it is superior. It takes arguing in circles to say otherwise.

I would also argue in this vein-- the Jewish custom was apparently to have multiple cups of wine in the celebration of the Passover. The Gospels and Paul’s Epistle to the Corinthians seem to imply that the, “cup of my blood” was the third cup-- the, “cup of blessing.” Jesus drank wine at the Last Supper, no matter how you slice it!

-Rob
 
Thanks to all who replied. That verse from Timothy was just what I was looking for. I’ll keep you all apprised as to what other bizarre replies I get.

In Pax Christi
Andrew
 
Also, the wine in the Bible was most certainly alcoholic, as the process which halts the fermentation process was not discovered until the 1800’s. Besides that. Jesus was referred to as a drunkard.
 
Well, I read down this thread and saw the Timothy quote and everything, but its really as basic as reminding evangelicals and others what the first public miracle of Jesus was in scripture? The changing of water into wine at the wedding feast at Cana. ‘Draw some out and take it to the head waiter’ were Jesus’ words (I’m paraphrasing here). Did Jesus lead the head waiter into sin, moreover, did Jesus lead the wedding feast party as a whole into further sin (since they had already drank the original quantity of wine purchased for the event before Jesus was called on by Mary to act). I don’t believe Jesus EVER led anyone into sin.

I believe we can learn much about life and how to live it by examining Jesus’ actions in scripture and imitating them to the best of our broken ability.
 
I would have to say that drinking wine, within legal limits and with moderation, is NOT a sin. After all, remember that the first miracle performed by Jesus was turning water into wine at the wedding feast in Cana. I don’t think Jesus would have done this if drinking wine was a sin.
 
true_believer said:
I would have to say that drinking wine, within legal limits and with moderation, is NOT a sin. After all, remember that the first miracle performed by Jesus was turning water into wine at the wedding feast in Cana. I don’t think Jesus would have done this if drinking wine was a sin.
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“You gotta love a guy whose first miracle was just to keep the party goin’!” ~Mark Lowry (very funny Protestant comedian)
 
Harpazo said:
I know, it’s laughable…you don’t have to tell me twice.😃

I have been on an Evangelical forum lately seeing what the latest things are taught and believed. Anyways, this girl had the audacity to say that drinking wine is sinful. She then went as far to say that the wine had no alcohol. I told her that the burden of proof was upon her.

Another person chimed in saying that he wanted to see proof from Scripture that drinking wine was ok. I know there’s a passage where St. Paul tells people to drink wine to settle their stomachs or something to that effect. If someone could direct me in that direction, I would appreciate it.

In Pax Christi
Andrew
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Ask that person where in Scripture it says we are forbidden to drink wine!
 
Moreover, Jesus Himself clearly drank wine:
For John came neither eating nor drinking; and they say: He hath a devil. The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say: Behold a man that is a glutton and a wine drinker, a friend of publicans and sinners.
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Matthew 11:18-19 (Douay-Rheims).
For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and you say: He hath a devil. The Son of man is come eating and drinking: and you say: Behold a man that is a glutton and a drinker of wine, a friend of publicans and sinners.
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Luke 7:33-34.

Or does your Protestant friend claim that Jesus was a sinner?
 
Try this verse from the KJV:
Ecc 9:7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.
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Genesis 14:18
Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High,

Genesis 27:25
Then he said, “My son, bring me some of your game to eat, so that I may give you my blessing.” Jacob brought it to him and he ate; and he brought some wine and he drank.

Genesis 27:28
May God give you of heaven’s dew and of earth’s richness— an abundance of grain and new wine.

Exodus 29:40
With the first lamb offer a tenth of an ephah of fine flour mixed with a quarter of a hin of oil from pressed olives, and a quarter of a hin of wine as a drink offering.

1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.

Revelation 6:6
Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “A quart of wheat for a day’s wages, and three quarts of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”
 
You ever notice how wine and blood are used together?

Genesis 49:11
He will tether his donkey to a vine, his colt to the choicest branch; he will wash his garments in wine, his robes in the blood of grapes.

Isaiah 49:26
I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh; they will be drunk on their own blood, as with wine. Then all mankind will know that I, the LORD, am your Savior, your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob."
 
Drinking wine in excess or drunkeness is a sin, but not in moderation. Often the wine of New Testament times was mixed with water (1 part wine to three parts water being common) before it was drunk.But it was a common drink everyday with meals .
 
Dispector said:
If it had no alcohol it would be grape juice… not wine.

Respectfully,
Mark
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Yep. It’s like the philosopher’s joke: If you call a dog’s tail a leg, how many legs does the normal dog have? Answer: Four, because calling a tail a leg does not make it so. Calling grape-juice wine does not make it so.
 
I did not say it was grapejuice although “new wine” was often drunk and it was grape juice.Mixed wine was real wine mixed with water both to dilute it and to stretch it out. It was uncommon in those days and even sometimes considered “barbaric” to drink wine without mixing it. These are acknowledged facts of history. Again drinking wine (of any kind) with moderation is allowed. Only those making special vows such as the “Nazarite vow” in the Old Testament were forbidden drink.
 
Prof_54 said:
I did not say it was grapejuice although “new wine” was often drunk and it was grape juice.Mixed wine was real wine mixed with water both to dilute it and to stretch it out. It was uncommon in those days and even sometimes considered “barbaric” to drink wine without mixing it. These are acknowledged facts of history. Again drinking wine (of any kind) with moderation is allowed. Only those making special vows such as the “Nazarite vow” in the Old Testament were forbidden drink.
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I don’t believe new wine is not non-alcoholic
My recolection of making wine with my grandmother ( she was known for her wine) was you pressed the wine in the fall and kept it in BBL’s. You tapped the bbl for the first taste at Christmas not really for general consumption or bottling.
This we called new Wine. Although lacking body it still contained Alcohol
Even as children we drank wine mixed with water but it was still
Alcoholic. Our families thought nothing of it.
“No Strong Drink” doesn’t necessarily mean non-alcoholic
As my Uncle Alberto would say waters okay to wash in but it’s certainly not meant to be drunk.Also
Grape juice is a waste of a good grape
 
What you call new wine is not what they called it in Biblical times. It was grapejuice. As I have already said, mixed wine was alcoholic but just of a lower content because it was mixed with water.But all of this is in part immaterial. Biblical wine was usually real wine whether mixed with water or not.
 
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