Driving fast and scrupulosity

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I was trying to get to my destination on time, so I drove maybe five miles or more over the speed limit on a winding road. Now I’m terribly concerned I have sinned mortally. I just went to confession that morning, it doesn’t seem like I would commit a mortal sin so soon. Am I being scrupulous?
 
Your best bet is to follow the Vatican’s “10 Commandments of Driving.”
  1. You shall not kill.
  2. The road shall be for you a means of communion between people and not of mortal harm.
  3. Courtesy, uprightness and prudence will help you deal with unforeseen events.
  4. Be charitable and help your neighbour in need, especially victims of accidents.
  5. Cars shall not be for you an expression of power and domination, and an occasion of sin.
  6. Charitably convince the young and not so young not to drive when they are not in a fitting condition to do so.
  7. Support the families of accident victims.
  8. Bring guilty motorists and their victims together, at the appropriate time, so that they can undergo the liberating experience of forgiveness.
  9. On the road, protect the more vulnerable party.
  10. Feel responsible toward others.
You seem to be fine. Keep it under control. And breathe! Confidence while driving my friend, we don’t want to see you getting in an accident.
 
I was trying to get to my destination on time, so I drove maybe five miles or more over the speed limit on a winding road. Now I’m terribly concerned I have sinned mortally. I just went to confession that morning, it doesn’t seem like I would commit a mortal sin so soon. Am I being scrupulous?
I personally think you’re being scrupulous, traffic laws are meant to protect those on the road. You endangered yourself and others, but I do not think it was a mortal sin, at least. What you did was wrong, but in the legal sense.
 
I was trying to get to my destination on time, so I drove maybe five miles or more over the speed limit on a winding road. Now I’m terribly concerned I have sinned mortally. I just went to confession that morning, it doesn’t seem like I would commit a mortal sin so soon. Am I being scrupulous?
No offense, but it may sound like you have OCD. City planners and civil engineers, when setting speed limits know people are going to go at least 5 mph over the limit, it’s why limit’s are so low. Now if you were in heavy traffic and only doing 5 mph over and swerving in and out, then yes that might be a mortal sin. Plus it also depends whether or not you have other passengers as well.
 
I would vote that this is not any sin at all. If a person is trying to drive a certain speed, it is simply impossible to stay right on that speed without going over and under a little. If you spend all your time staring at the speedometer, worrying about how fast you are going, you might miss something such as a car pulling out in front of you.

Breaking man-made secular laws is not sinful in the same sense as breaking God’s moral laws. There are times that it would be wrong not to speed, such as speeding to get away from a dangerous situation.

Now, if you were driving 100 miles an hour, weaving in and out, while a cop was chasing you, I think it would be reasonable to ask the question.
 
I was trying to get to my destination on time, so I drove maybe five miles or more over the speed limit on a winding road. Now I’m terribly concerned I have sinned mortally. I just went to confession that morning, it doesn’t seem like I would commit a mortal sin so soon. Am I being scrupulous?
Having studied any number of car reviews over the years, there’s also something called “speedometer error,” which means that it’s fairly common - or at least, used to be on older cars - for a speedometer to overstate the actual speed by some factor, frequently 5 mph at speeds around 45-50, so you may not have been actually speeding after all. On the other hand, don’t try using this as an all-purpose excuse with your neighborhood policeman!

There are also interstate highways around here where going “only” 5 mph over the limit is likely to get you killed for going too slowly, but that’s another problem.
 
There is no sin in speeding, making illegal u turns, illegal left turns, etc. They are just rules with penalties. Kind of like playing sports. If one is playing football and does a holding penalty he gets 10 yards as a penalty but he certainly did not sin by committing the hold. I think the same goes for driving. If you break the rules you get a penalty which is usually a ticket but you don’t sin.
 
There is no sin in speeding, making illegal u turns, illegal left turns, etc. They are just rules with penalties. Kind of like playing sports. If one is playing football and does a holding penalty he gets 10 yards as a penalty but he certainly did not sin by committing the hold. I think the same goes for driving. If you break the rules you get a penalty which is usually a ticket but you don’t sin.
With regard to the law, you are mistaken. The Church teaches that we are to submit to all legitimate civil authority – that is to say, we are to obey laws that are not unjust. Refusing to do so is therefore contrary to Church teaching.

Now, whether it is mortally sinful would depend on a number of factors, I’m sure – for example, how much one is speeding, whether one is being reckless in addition to speeding, etc. To merely say, however, that speeding is no big deal, is to flout the law, plain and simple. As Catholics, we have a duty to obey the law – period.

NB: I struggle with a habit of speeding, too – it’s remarkably easy to do when a) one is late, and b) a good portion of one’s drive to work is over a nice, long, straight bridge with 4 lanes in each direction… 😊

Peace,
Dante
 
5 MPH over the limit…sin, doubtful…venial at worst, but IMHO not ever that. Scrupulous…oh yeah.

Speeding could be a mortal sin if you were driving at a dangerously high speed and willfully putting the lives of others on the highway in peril.

At 5 MPH over the limit I would wager there were folks passing you.
 
The only way speeding is a mortal sin is if you were going CONSIDERABLY over the speed limit whilst fully knowing it’s against the law and also that someone could die, including yourself or badly injure someone. etc.

Going 5mph over the speed limit is something even the police wouldn’t stop you over for. Forget it mate, it maybe breaking the law in the legal sense strictly strictly speaking, but it’s in no way a mortal sin, if it is even a sin it’s a venial one and a very tiny venial one at that.
 
With regard to the law, you are mistaken. The Church teaches that we are to submit to all legitimate civil authority – that is to say, we are to obey laws that are not unjust. Refusing to do so is therefore contrary to Church teaching.

Now, whether it is mortally sinful would depend on a number of factors, I’m sure – for example, how much one is speeding, whether one is being reckless in addition to speeding, etc. To merely say, however, that speeding is no big deal, is to flout the law, plain and simple. As Catholics, we have a duty to obey the law – period.

NB: I struggle with a habit of speeding, too – it’s remarkably easy to do when a) one is late, and b) a good portion of one’s drive to work is over a nice, long, straight bridge with 4 lanes in each direction… 😊

Peace,
Dante
I have no desire to get buried in a debate about speed laws. But it should suffice to say that you are not a lawyer, or you would not make the statements you have.

Some speed laws are related to safety, and as such could be the source of sin - in most circumstances, venial. Other speed laws are not based on safety but on other considerations - for example, the 55 mph laws aon highways comes not from safety but from gas conservation and is only an average - some cars conserve better at lower speeds, some at higher. Going 60 in a 55 mph zone of highway is not “flauting the law”.

The op has a problem with scrupulosity, and doesn’t need your take on moral theology. He needs serious help in finding balance.
 
With regard to the law, you are mistaken. The Church teaches that we are to submit to all legitimate civil authority – that is to say, we are to obey laws that are not unjust. Refusing to do so is therefore contrary to Church teaching.

Now, whether it is mortally sinful would depend on a number of factors, I’m sure – for example, how much one is speeding, whether one is being reckless in addition to speeding, etc. To merely say, however, that speeding is no big deal, is to flout the law, plain and simple. As Catholics, we have a duty to obey the law – period.

NB: I struggle with a habit of speeding, too – it’s remarkably easy to do when a) one is late, and b) a good portion of one’s drive to work is over a nice, long, straight bridge with 4 lanes in each direction… 😊

Peace,
Dante
I still respectfully disagree and think it is more like a penalty in a football game as I originally posted. The laws of submitting you refer to tell us to suck it up and take the penalty which is the ticket rather than go off on a police chase or something and try to outdrive the cop. Seems like a really cool and fun thing to try one time but it certainly would be sinful let alone very illegal with serious complications.
 
I have no desire to get buried in a debate about speed laws. But it should suffice to say that you are not a lawyer, or you would not make the statements you have.

Some speed laws are related to safety, and as such could be the source of sin - in most circumstances, venial. Other speed laws are not based on safety but on other considerations - for example, the 55 mph laws aon highways comes not from safety but from gas conservation and is only an average - some cars conserve better at lower speeds, some at higher. Going 60 in a 55 mph zone of highway is not “flauting the law”.

The op has a problem with scrupulosity, and doesn’t need your take on moral theology. He needs serious help in finding balance.
This is not my take on moral theology – the Church is quite specific about our duty to obey the law. It doesn’t make stipulations about whether the law is in place because of safety considerations or not; the law is the law, and as long as it’s not unjust, we have a duty to obey it. Period.

Perhaps you didn’t notice, but my post was intended not merely to correct, but also to offer my empathy. My own habit of speeding is deep seated, and I wrestle with it, too.

Peace,
Dante
 
I still respectfully disagree and think it is more like a penalty in a football game as I originally posted. The laws of submitting you refer to tell us to suck it up and take the penalty which is the ticket rather than go off on a police chase or something and try to outdrive the cop. Seems like a really cool and fun thing to try one time but it certainly would be sinful let alone very illegal with serious complications.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but the bottom line is that the Church teaches we have a moral obligation to obey the law – not just to pay the ticket if we get caught. This type of moral relativism is more problematic than you might think; it opens the door for all sorts of “spirit of the law vs. the letter” judgement calls that would not arise if one merely did what one was called to do in the first place – in this case, obey the law.

Peace,
Dante
 
Driving 5 or even 10 mph over the speed limit would in fact be dangerous IF the conditions are such that every one else is going much faster. There are several highways in our area where you would be putting other folks at risk if you were to go that ‘slow’.

Of course driving that much over the limit at school zones or where there is construction could be equally dangerous. IF you are much faster or much slower than the ‘flow of traffic’ then you pose a greater risk to everyone else.
 
This is not my take on moral theology – the Church is quite specific about our duty to obey the law. It doesn’t make stipulations about whether the law is in place because of safety considerations or not; the law is the law, and as long as it’s not unjust, we have a duty to obey it. Period.

Perhaps you didn’t notice, but my post was intended not merely to correct, but also to offer my empathy. My own habit of speeding is deep seated, and I wrestle with it, too.

Peace,
Dante
That is a very short hand version of what Moral Theology has to say, and also one about speeding laws.

Laws enacted by the State may have a moral implication or not. and the moral implication may not be what the laymen presupposes. Moral theology supports your contention that laws with a moral overlay are to be obeyed. Thus speeding in a school zone has a moral implication. Going 60 in a 55 mph zone does not, as it was not based on safety but on a general intent to conserve gas, and because it is general (and is about 30 years old - technology has changed), is not a moral implication of an issue of safety, and may or may not be a moral implication of use of resources.

To ignore why the law was written is to ignore why Moral theology may (not necessarily does) require compliance.

And as a matter of fact, the Church is not quite as specific as you would indicate.
 
That is a very short hand version of what Moral Theology has to say, and also one about speeding laws.

Laws enacted by the State may have a moral implication or not. and the moral implication may not be what the laymen presupposes. Moral theology supports your contention that laws with a moral overlay are to be obeyed. Thus speeding in a school zone has a moral implication. Going 60 in a 55 mph zone does not, as it was not based on safety but on a general intent to conserve gas, and because it is general (and is about 30 years old - technology has changed), is not a moral implication of an issue of safety, and may or may not be a moral implication of use of resources.

To ignore why the law was written is to ignore why Moral theology may (not necessarily does) require compliance.

And as a matter of fact, the Church is not quite as specific as you would indicate.
Now, that’s a well-made point. 👍

Food for thought.

Peace,
Dante
 
You’re entitled to your opinion, but the bottom line is that the Church teaches we have a moral obligation to obey the law – not just to pay the ticket if we get caught. This type of moral relativism is more problematic than you might think; it opens the door for all sorts of “spirit of the law vs. the letter” judgement calls that would not arise if one merely did what one was called to do in the first place – in this case, obey the law.

Peace,
Dante
As you are entitled to yours. I still disagree and will always post my opinion each time this topic comes up. I have seen no evidence to the contrary that my interpretation of the submit to authority is sufficiently proven wrong.
 
As you are entitled to yours. I still disagree and will always post my opinion each time this topic comes up. I have seen no evidence to the contrary that my interpretation of the submit to authority is sufficiently proven wrong.
Here’s the problem, as I see it: whereas I offered an authority that has actually spoken, you offer your opinion that speeding tickets are like “penalties” in a game. You haven’t demonstrated (as otjm did) that the principles of moral theology do not apply to this situation; you merely dismiss moral theology as irrelevant and subscribe to your unfounded opinion.

Peace,
Dante
 
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