Droping the F Bomb

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Black Jaque:
When the word came into being is irrelevant. How the word is used and how accepted that useage becomes in a society is what matters.

If in the 1500’s the F-bomb was used sparingly and under limited contexts, it would not have the effect I’m claiming it has today.

The F-bomb refers to the act of fornication. When a symbol is accepted, then the action it symbolizes becomes accepted.
It does bear some relevance becuase it almost always has been used regulary.
I don’t think the majority of people when they use it on a fairly frequent basis think of sex; I know when I say it I don’t.

I think of using the F-bomb like this: if someone was displaying the acid bears of the Grateful Dead, usually that meant not only a Dead Head, but most likely a druggy. A generation later, it just means you think its neat. Same thing with the F-bomb. People say it now just because, well, because they are indifferent to it.
 
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sadie2723:
I was wondering what the official teaching is on swaring? Thanks.
It’s an f’in bad idea! 😃
 
Paul, in his letter to the Ephesians. Chapter 4 verse 29:
No foul language should come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for needed edification, that it may impart grace to those who hear.
 
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TridentineFan:
That priests are sometimes heard cursing is a weak argument. Priests are also seen teaching against the Catholic Church, embezzling money, having homosexual affairs, and molesting children. Priests, even popes, are not impeccable.
You should never assume. Yes, I mentioned hearing priests swear. And no, I wasn’t referring to modernist wishy-washy priests. I was referring to some extremely orthodox priests.

And contrary to those who feel that swearing and poor language/expression skills go together. I’ve always considered myself fairly eloquent. And I find that certain words, eg. the two-syllable word that begins with B (and may be stepped-on in paddocks) is not easily replaced, ie. there are no real “clean” equivalents.
 
Four letter words usage is not anything but a venial sin, usually like the earlier p oster- er 😉 said- It is scandalous only if someone else hears it… St Paul quote is one of my faves.
 
Wouldn’t it be fairer to say “scandalous (sinful) if somebody is OFFENDED by it”? If I swear in front of someone who’s unconcerned and unoffended by it, where’s the harm? I make a point of not swearing when it WILL cause offense. My wife and I use the dreaded F-word in front of each other, and we both find it quite funny. Where’s the harm?
 
It does bear some relevance becuase it almost always has been used regulary.
Are you kidding? I’m only 35 and in my life-time I can witness to the fact that the F-word is used with increasing frequency.
I don’t think the majority of people when they use it on a fairly frequent basis think of sex; I know when I say it I don’t.
That’s part of my point exactly. You don’t consciously think of it, but you know that it has a sexual meaning. Every time you hear it or utter it, even though your conscious mind doesn’t think of sex, the fact that the word is link in your brain with a sexual meaning is enough to do the damage.
I think of using the F-bomb like this: if someone was displaying the acid bears of the Grateful Dead, usually that meant not only a Dead Head, but most likely a druggy. A generation later, it just means you think its neat. Same thing with the F-bomb. People say it now just because, well, because they are indifferent to it.
Right and people are growing indifferent towards sex. This is not by coincidence. You can’t entirely disconnect the word and it’s original meaning - Somehow you still remember that the acid bears are linked to the Grateful Dead. How did I know about the bears’ and the Dead too? You can’t erase it.
 
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JeffAustralia:
Wouldn’t it be fairer to say “scandalous (sinful) if somebody is OFFENDED by it”? If I swear in front of someone who’s unconcerned and unoffended by it, where’s the harm? I make a point of not swearing when it WILL cause offense. My wife and I use the dreaded F-word in front of each other, and we both find it quite funny. Where’s the harm?
That’s a good point. I never used to use it except when very upset. Now my language doesn’t really follow whether I’m upset so much, and partly because a couple of my friends (ok and family members :o ) “introduced” me to casual usage to the extent I am also comfortable saying it only around certain people who all talk that way.

One can try to justify it with Pauline teachings, or use other Pauline teaching to scold us who engage in this sort of thing. For example, Paul says basically that he is a chameleon in that he becomes like those he’s around in order to win them over. One could counter that, I suppose (and I might as well before some other poster does) with the point that Paul doesn’t exactly say that he will break any of his own rules. The counter-counter argument would be, then, that Paul said he has no specific rules – that everything for him is permissible but not everything is useful. Aha – that’s the part I like to get to – it’s a matter of strategy, not so much an issue of right and wrong.

Sure we can’t just ignore the Pauline teaching presented above that no foul language should come out our mouth. That said, the way this thing is worded leaves itself open to whether that “suggestion” or “command” as the case may be, applies if the negative effects (or lack of positive effects) are not present. For example, if one is practicing an act of mercy by consoling a depressed person by saying, “yes, dude, that’s pretty up; I feel for you” using a word that is 100% in the vernacular of the person being ministered to (ok and let’s add that nobody who would be offended overheard in case we must) then how would that work? In the case we take the “command” as unconditional, then we are left with the issue of what constitutes “vulgar” language? At this point one can hardly be absolute at all with any degree of honesty, except again in cases of blasphemy.

If someone can make the argument that the F bomb, for example, is unconditionally bad, then are there words we can say are unconditionally not bad? If it is a matter of knowing whether the audience is going to be offended in the case we use nice flowery words, then why would it change for using certain “vulgar” words? Again, I’m back to finding a relativistic definition of what “foul language” is for purpose of obedience to the Pauline teaching.

Alan
 
Black Jaque:
Are you kidding? I’m only 35 and in my life-time I can witness to the fact that the F-word is used with increasing frequency.

That’s part of my point exactly. You don’t consciously think of it, but you know that it has a sexual meaning. Every time you hear it or utter it, even though your conscious mind doesn’t think of sex, the fact that the word is link in your brain with a sexual meaning is enough to do the damage.
With all do respect, that is a pretty big stretch. You’re basically saying that every time I drop an F-bomb b/c I messed up at work, I’m really harning myself b/c subconsciously I’m thinking about it’s sexual origins.
Black Jaque:
Right and people are growing indifferent towards sex. This is not by coincidence. You can’t entirely disconnect the word and it’s original meaning - Somehow you still remember that the acid bears are linked to the Grateful Dead. How did I know about the bears’ and the Dead too? You can’t erase it.
I can’t disconnect the meaning from the two, but in a generation or two those acid bears will have different meaning swhen people display them.
 
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JeffAustralia:
I’ve not had a clear answer on this one. I’ve had people tell me I should go to confession for using profanity, but in all conscience I don’t feel I’ve sinned. Swearing AT someone to hurt them? Swearing around someone whom you KNOW is offended by it? Sure. I agree that’s sinful. But to let-fly with spicy language around the fellahs, or around those who only find it funny (or simply find it expressive), I can’t see the harm. I’ve heard a few priests swear over the years too.

Now blasphemy is a different matter. I never do it, and I take a dim view of it. It’s one of the Commandments, for goodness sakes! I find it bizarre how many Catholics think it’s OK to take the name of The Lord in vain.
come to the province of quebec in Canada and taking the Lord’s name in vain is part of the language unfortunately… we desperately need help :eek:
 
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wabrams:
With all do respect, that is a pretty big stretch. You’re basically saying that every time I drop an F-bomb b/c I messed up at work, I’m really harning myself b/c subconsciously I’m thinking about it’s sexual origins.

I can’t disconnect the meaning from the two, but in a generation or two those acid bears will have different meaning swhen people display them.
Acid bear?? :confused:

I guess I don’t need an answer… if I cared enough I could probably look it up. 😛

Alan
 
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wabrams:
These:

http://www.soul-flower.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/LBL008.jpg

You know, the Grateful Dead bears, or as my dad called them acid bears.
Cool. I didn’t know.

The only experience I had with GD was in 1980-1981 I was strolling around whiling away an evening between a two-day job interview in Pittsburgh, came upon a concert and went.

There were a lot of people dressed very interestingly, and the place was thick with pot smoke – the police tried to reposition themselves to stay out of the heavier drifts of smoke. I was the only one I saw dressed in a black business suit, wearing a London Fog overcoat.

If I recall, the warmup band was Seals and Crofts, and the only song I recognized was “Summer Breeze.” I don’t remember anything GD played, because I didn’t recognize it. The concert was seemingly endless, and after a couple hours I finally left to get some rest before morning. The fans (“Dead Heads”) clearly loved it, though, and many of them stood up and “danced” right at their seats during the show.

OK, so I guess the point is that if I saw those bears outside of this thread, I would not have thought about the grateful dead at all, while clearly other people would have immediately identified it.

Like other words and symbols, they only have common meaning if they are agreed upon in advance as to their meaning. Each person brings his own experience/baggage as to what that means. With that in mind, not only the literal “meaning” of the word may vary, but the “flavor” of it as good/bad, or whatever.

When a person responds to vulgar language by becoming offended, then it must not be the first time they have heard that language. You only get to damage the innocence once; then after that it’s a matter of how they react.

Personally I think the most powerful way to defuse naughty language is to give it zero emotional content, clear down to our most inward levels. People can talk how they want and I won’t get upset because again, if I’m offended that shows that I’ve heard these words before and obviously I lived through them. It is the emotional energy these words bring that gives them their negative power – not the particular sounds of the utterance. In fact, people occasionally mistake something innocent for something rude – thereby creating negativity where none is intended – and all this because we are on a hair-trigger for being offended.

With that I’d like to interject that whether swearing is OK or not, that becoming agitated and offended when other people swear actually feeds negative energy into the situation.

One time I had an engineering supervisor that was a staunch Christian in a rather bizarre church (Harry/Henry Armstrong’s – Worldwide Church of God) but I gave him credit for living his faith as honestly as anyone I knew. Anyway, we had one coworker who was pretty foul-mouthed and the rest of us were not; our boss would never use rude or offensive language, but nor did he flinch when the coworker used it. It was a lessen to me in how to communicate without judging.

Alan
 
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sadie2723:
I was wondering what the official teaching is on swaring? Thanks.
It is written in scripture to not swear by the tounge. Let your yes be a yes and no be a no, anything further is from the evil one.

The Lord hates a perverse mouth.

You are snared by the words of your mouth.

Those are a few I remembered off the top of my head. They are in the bible.

Peace
 
I don’t think that God likes when we swear, so I will confess that (profanity) if need be, during Confession. However, I don’t think it’s a mortal sin. I’ve read recently in a Catholic publication that a mortal sin would be taking the Lord’s name in vain, for example.
 
Those who use offensive language regarding sexuality offend the diginity of God’s creation. Often times these same individuals struggle with various forms of impurity and pornography addictions. There is a very strong correlation between these defects.

Where your mouth is, there too your heart (and soul) will be.

Distance yourself from these stumbling blocks to holiness
 
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