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Peace be with you!

I completely disagree with your equating of murder with getting drunk. Especially if you’re “sitting at home in your tub getting drunk.” How is that at all the same as murdering someone??? If I am at home and I get drunk (I don’t drink by myself, this is only an example) specifically so I DON’T go anywhere or drive and have no intention of driving or putting someone else in danger, how can that possibly be even close to the same as murder???

I agree, people do some pretty stupid things when they’re drunk. I am not one of those people (I haven’t even been drunk since about three years ago). I don’t get angry at all like some people do; in fact, it’s exactly the opposite. I think that when drinking really changes the personality of the person drinking or they drink to excess all the time, then it becomes a problem and sinful. But if someone is drinking for a special occasion, like at a wedding, and just having a good time, there’s nothing wrong with that. No one driving drunk, no one fighting, no one having sex, ect.

In Christ,
Rand
 
Ok,

I know my example is hard to swallow, but I’m sticking by it. I’m gonna ask a priest I know to explain it more fully (he first gave me this example). But I’m sticking by it.

As for “getting drunk at home is not that bad because there’s no chance of hurting anyone”: nonsense. Drunkeness is the state of being unable to control your actions due to alcohol. So how can you possibly say that there’s no chance of driving anywhere?? You’re drunk! You don’t know what you’re doing! While drunk, who’s to say you won’t get the bright idea, “Hey, my house is boring. I think I’ll take my car out.” It’s entirely possible.

Besides, drunkeness is a mortal sin for more than the fact it puts others in danger and leads to debauchery. Getting drunk denies your human dignity which comes from God.
 
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JCPhoenix:
there is a difference between a habitual alcoholic and a college student out to have a good time.
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How?
 
As someone who worked in a Substance Abuse clinic for years, I can easily say that it is one of the most heartbreaking problems on the social horizon. To see what becomes of these folks who once 'enjoyed" getting drunk is horrifying, especially when seen through the eyes of not only that person, but all the others who try to love them. I lost a sister-in-law, a brother-in-law, and saddest of all, one of my own, dear brothers to alcoholism, and two others are also haunted by this problem. It starts when the “fun” becomes a necessity, and finally, in the last stages, the alcohol or drug is used, not for fun, but to feel “normal”. I believe, as the Bible states in several places, that it is a sin, and should not be tolerated or looked upon lightly. This is for the sake of all, not just the drinker. Just going there is bad. I feel great remorse for all the times I did this, and for my previous attitude of amusement, which may have caused another person to keep it up.
 
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UKcatholicGuy:
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Alcoholism is a disease. Read up on it. Thier sin is mitigated by a disease they really can’t control and is compounded by the need to be ready for healing. It’s not a disease like cancer, but simlar in some aspects. They can’t just get chemo and radiation and be done with it, but it requires a full body/mind/soul type of recovery,

My dad died of alcoholism. He was able to stop smoking cold turkey, but they had to pry the bottle from his cold dead hands. There is a far cry betwen this type of disease and a college student living “wild years” and moving on as do most.

And regarding the other post, I reiterate the drunks do still have control; many just use their drunkenness and “loss of inhibitions” as an excuse to pull bs that they would actually consciously do in a sober state if they thought they could get away with it.

Drunkenness is an occasion of greater sin, and that is why it is a mortal sin.

I stand by what I said.
 
JC,

I agree with that. I thought you were suggesting that it’s somehow less of a sin for a college student, but more of a sin for an alcoholic. In fact, the opposite is true, because, as you said, the alcoholic may be less culpable on account of the disease factor.

God bless.
 
I’ve been on research trips where everyone else would sit back and spend an entire evening getting skunked. I don’t mean mildly cheerful. I mean absolutely, apocalyptically jugged. I was the only teetotaler in the group, so it was pretty ugly. I had to pull a girl and a guy apart to stop them from… well, never mind.

I think getting drunk - I mean, drunk to the point where you lose all inhibition and control - is a sin against the dignity of man. People consider it funny because it’s undignified and ludicrous, and the person can’t help himself/herself. But our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit and are therefore deserving of dignity and respect. Is getting crocked a way to respect yourself, or anybody else for that matter? I doubt it.
 
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As someone who worked in a Substance Abuse clinic for years, I can easily say that it is one of the most heartbreaking problems on the social horizon. To see what becomes of these folks who once 'enjoyed" getting drunk is horrifying, especially when seen through the eyes of not only that person, but all the others who try to love them. I lost a sister-in-law, a brother-in-law, and saddest of all, one of my own, dear brothers to alcoholism, and two others are also haunted by this problem. It starts when the “fun” becomes a necessity, and finally, in the last stages, the alcohol or drug is used, not for fun, but to feel “normal”. I believe, as the Bible states in several places, that it is a sin, and should not be tolerated or looked upon lightly. This is for the sake of all, not just the drinker. Just going there is bad. I feel great remorse for all the times I did this, and for my previous attitude of amusement, which may have caused another person to keep it up.
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Just so that we are clear on this. We are talking about drunkness, not light alcohol consumption.
 
Peace be with you!

Well, I’ve made the decision now to not get drunk again. Some friends and I went out the other night and I ended up having more to drink than I should have…later in the night I wasn’t feeling too great. I hadn’t planned on getting drunk, but I didn’t realize how much I was drinking until it was too late and I was pretty drunk (and like I said earlier, I haven’t even been drunk in about 3 years). But, even though I was drunk, we were still clear headed enough to purposely NOT drive (we didn’t take a car) and what we ended up doing was talking about faith and religion for most of the night (a Catholic, a Lutheran, and an agnostic).
I’m not trying to say it was OK for us to have gotten drunk because we didn’t hurt anyone; I’m just saying that we were still able to realize what to do and what not to do. Besides the fact that I ended up not feeling to well at the end of the night, I’ve also seen how some people act when they’re drunk from when I used to go to college parties a few years ago.
I still don’t agree with equating it to murder, though, unless you actually do kill someone when you’re drunk (or if you drive drunk, I beleive most states consider that “attempted manslaughter”).

In Christ,
Rand
 
Rand Al'Thor:
Peace be with you!

Well, I’ve made the decision now to not get drunk again. Some friends and I went out the other night and I ended up having more to drink than I should have…later in the night I wasn’t feeling too great. I hadn’t planned on getting drunk, but I didn’t realize how much I was drinking until it was too late and I was pretty drunk (and like I said earlier, I haven’t even been drunk in about 3 years). But, even though I was drunk, we were still clear headed enough to purposely NOT drive (we didn’t take a car) and what we ended up doing was talking about faith and religion for most of the night (a Catholic, a Lutheran, and an agnostic).
I’m not trying to say it was OK for us to have gotten drunk because we didn’t hurt anyone; I’m just saying that we were still able to realize what to do and what not to do. Besides the fact that I ended up not feeling to well at the end of the night, I’ve also seen how some people act when they’re drunk from when I used to go to college parties a few years ago.
I still don’t agree with equating it to murder, though, unless you actually do kill someone when you’re drunk (or if you drive drunk, I beleive most states consider that “attempted manslaughter”).

In Christ,
Rand
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Great decision! I wish you the best of luck.

I had one session of Worshiping the Porcelain God and since then have been basically teetotal (exception, wine at Mass.)
 
Alcoholism ends up as a disease, but there are many occaisions, in the beginning, when it is a choice. This is why it is such a dangerous source of amusement, where no one at the party knows who might be the one to get caught in the web. College kids should be made to realize this, as none of them will likely enjoy bumping into that person later on, especially if they were a part of contributing to the deception that led them to alcoholism.
College is a place where people are priveleged to go to learn about the world, and to develop a better understanding of it. It galls me to see students drunk and partying while less fortunate people are working and raising families. Doesn’t give me any confidence in handing over to them (how many government, public employees don’t have college backgrounds?) the world I worked hard for. They had best remember that Nero was partying while Rome burned.
 
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