Druze saints (15 characters)

  • Thread starter Thread starter Salibi
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
I’m sorry, but I’m afraid you’ve misunderstood. I must confess that I felt confused at first as to what you meant by me denigrating you but then I realized that I had -without noticing- worded my responce in a patronizing way. I assure you that I had no intention of insulting you and apologize profusely for any offense I have unknowingly caused. The reason i have taken so long to clear this misunderstanding up is that I had apparently reached the posts limit for new users on the forums and had to wait for a few hours before posting again. I tried messaging you privately in order to explain the misunderstanding but you were not accepting messages.
I would indeed love to discuss these things with you, if you are still interested.
Sincerely sorry for any offense i caused.
Pax Christi.
 
The Church doesn’t allow the veneration of heretics. I would just like to add that Druze don’t really have a religion, I’ve seen them pray Friday prayers like Muslims in Mosques and pray on Sunday in Churches like Christians. Druze were originally a sect of Ismaili Shia Islam that split from the main branch of Shia Islam in the 10th century. They also took a lot of beliefs from former Gnostic religions such as Manichaeism such as the belief of reincarnation a belief foreign to both Christianity and Islam. The Druze faith is what Frankenstein’s Monster would look like.
 
Druze culture is in Northern Israel. They believe in reincarnation. Recognize Jesus as a prophet.
It is interesting! On TV, concerning the shroud, they identified the shroud victim’s, (Jesus) blood. It’s AB+. They got DNA & some DNA came from the Druze ppl. It was Jewish mostly w some Druze. I think, in Mary’s Bloodline, generations ago. A Davidic line male could have married a Druze or someone who had some Druze DNA in them(?)
As long as the Davidic line was continued. OR the Shroud victim isn’t Jesus?
What’s cool about the blood type is AB+ is the Universal Recipient. He can receive everybody’s blood type. He embraces us all.
It would be impossible to have them stop praying to the Saints of old. You found they had performed miracles. Miracles can only be performed by God. Satan can copy-cat but Satan
isn’t going to be gracious about good things. Romans 2 infers, we are judged according to the level of our knowledge. Their concept of God isn’t small little gods. It’s a one God. They lean toward Judaism, if I recall correctly.
New Saints will be picked up, in time. If you thought their religion was more pagan than Jewish, that’s another story. They know & respect Jesus, so their in better shape than others.
Remember, our church took over pagan dates of pagan worship & made it Christian. Saturnella was 12/25 & we have Christmas. The advent wreath was a Harvest celebration & we have watching for Christs Birth as the meaning now.
It’s good that more believers are coming in the fold.
God bless
Merry Christmas
Tweedlealice
 
Druzes have historically practiced taqiyya (تقية) , in which they outwardly conformed to the religious practices of the majority in the region they were in , in order to avoid persecution. This was essential for their survival as they were brutally persecuted by Islam after they defected and so had to practice their faith in secret while still pretending to be Muslims to survive. Nowadays,with freedom of religion laws, most Druzes no longer do this, although the practice of praying in a mosque or a church has stuck with them. They do have their own prayer houses however , the majlis. They are usually built to resemble houses and they actually blend in with the surrounding houses, another remnant of their persecution when they used to meet secretly in the houses of their faithful to pray. Also, Druzes do have a Sabbath day, on Thursday. The laity light candles and venerate saints and worship God while the clergy meet to read their scriptures.
The Druze faith is very lax in what it allows its laity to do: the only religious obligation they have is not to marry a non-Druze. I know Druzes who consider their religion more of a philosophy than a faith, and others who venerate Hindu, Buddhist and other non-Abrahamic saints. (This practice is quite rare however, but I have never seen Druze clergy object to it when it happens). I know that Druze clergy have to give up veneration of non -Druze saints after their ordination, though.
To me Druzes are like Protestants. What started as a simple objection to the veneration of Islamic saints like the Sahaba of Muhammad and mosque ritual like wudu’ (the act of washing oneself before prayer, considered an obligation in Islam) suddenly snowballed into a rejection of all things Islamic, and thus Druzes started incorporating Christian, Gnostic, and even Hindu beliefs , kinda like Protestants today whose rejection of certain elements of Catholicism led to them creating churches that would have left the early Christians scratching their heads (No liturgy?No baptisms?) . And the thing is , no one can be sure what they actually teach . Many Druzes actually become atheists or convert to Christianity or back to Islam because they are fed up with not knowing what they are supposed to believe in.
That said, I find most devout Druzes I know to be good and righteous people, pious in accordance to their own traditions and extremely tolerant, reverant even, of Catholicism. Druzes usually use Christian sacramentals like holy water and believe in the Virgin Birth. Whenever I announce I am making a trip to Saint Charbel’s shrine in Annaya , my Druze neighbours flood me with requests for rosaries, icons, statues, and bottles of holy oil and water.
Its worth mentioning that they may have a very erroneous, perverse even, understanding of the Christ. While I am not entirely sure of this ( we cant be sure about anything pertaining to their faith), I have heard that the Druze faith believes the Christ and Jesus were two separate entities that fused together in Mary’s womb, Christ being the God and Jesus being the human child. Truly gives Nestorianism and Adoptionism a run for their money.
Pax Christi.
 
Last edited:
I think Druze have historically become so secret they forgot their own beliefs in all that secrecy. My best friend happens to be a Druze by birth, but he’s personally an Atheist since he once mentioned to me that the concept of God is ridiculous and has no proof.
 
What I read about their faith is that it is more about some sort of energies in the world. More like mysticism. God in their eyes is not personified like in Judaism and Christianity.
Saints are venerated as unseen spiritual leaders. Can a man considered holy in another religion guide you, a Christian baptized who now must follow the rules of the Christian faith? I doubt it not necessarily as an accusation against their spirits visiting the Christian but I don’t see how can they help a Christian soul with Christian problems.
 
Nevertheless, these men were never baptized.
Is the practice of venerating them sinful?
P.S : If anyone is curious about Druzes feel free to ask. I live in a majority Druze town and while I cannot help you with their religion ( as even they barely know anything about it) I can answer questions about their culture, history, and maybe a thing or two that I did pick up about their faith.
Pax Christi.
I would tell him that praying for their souls and then saying something like “druze holyman x, when and if able to, pray for me.”

If the veneration includes venerating images or icons of them or performing any sort of ritual to them, I would say that is wrong from a Catholic perspective.
 
Also, I think you would be glad to know that Druzes and Maronites in Lebanon reconciled during the Mountain Reconciliation after the war. And I personally do not believe in labelling an entire group of people as enemies of the Catholic faith; enemies of Christ, for politically motivated events that happened in the past. God and his saints work among all people : Saint Charbel’s first miracle was with a Druze woman. And Christ did tell us to love our enemies.
Pax Christi
You are not far from the Kingdom of Heaven.

Christ is alive in you to speak such words as these my dear friend.

God bless you and all Maronites, and also bless all Druze and Muslim people in the Middle East and bless them all with peaceful coexistence, love, and mutual understanding.
 
That was very interesting. The program had interviewed Druze. They are a kind culture, isolated to their own.
Thank You
Pax Christi.
Tweedlealice
 
Hahahahaha. An interesting proposition, but one that’s highly unlikely. Druze laity never knew anything about their faith to begin with. Your friend’s atheism is typical in a belief system that purposely excludes its laity from participating in their own religion.
 
Hello, I am interested to know where have you read about the Druzes? This information is new to me, what I know is that Druzes do indeed personify God; they believe that their founder, the Fatimid Caliph Al Hakim, is an incarnation of God. A Druze once told me that they also believe Jesus is an incarnation of God, but whereas Christians believe thaf Jesus is the only incarnation, Druzes believe there were many other incarnations. Kind of like Hinduism. I would take this with a grain of salt, however, as Druze laity are not the most reliable sources for their faith.
 
Friend, of everyone here on these forums I am perhaps the most far from the Kingdom of Heaven. But I thank you for saying what you have said nonetheless. God bless you as well.
Pax Christi.
 
I read about it from wikipedia. But as far as I am concerned, as a Christian, God became man only in Jesus Christ and all other stories are false. It is not the personification of God that constitutes Christianity but His uniqueness. A Christian Saint died believing this so when I call on one we speak of the same thing.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top