"dumbed down" translation to be replaced Pentecost Sunday 2011

[FrDavid96]

Does not matter. There are 22 Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church, none of which utilize Latin as a liturgical language. By saying that the Church shows a preference to Latin over all other languages relegates the Eastern Rites to being “less Catholic” than the west. That is nothing but arrogance. Latin is not a “holy language.” It is best that Church documents stay in Latin because it is a dead language, and therefore immune form change in vocabulary. However I must agree that the Liturgy in the vernacular is preferred when the faithful are homogeneous.

First of all, since this is not the Eastern Catholic forum, that puts the context of my post in the Western Church, not the Eastern Churches. The Church does indeed have a preference for Latin in this context. I stand by that. I said nothing about, and certainly nothing against the Eastern Churches–you are reading something that I did not say into what I actually said. If I had either posted my comments in the EC forum, or I had made any reference to the ECs you might have a point–but I did neither.

In this context, the Latin language is not only preferred when the “faithful are homogeneous” but Latin is the preferred language, regardless of what might be the vernacular language(s) of the assembly.

If you want to debate or discuss the way that the Eastern Churches use their own liturgical languages and/or their own vernaculars, I’m sure you could start or find such a thread in the Eastern Churches forum.

 

[malphono]

First of all, since this is not the Eastern Catholic forum, that puts the context of my post in the Western Church, not the Eastern Churches. The Church does indeed have a preference for Latin in this context. I stand by that. I said nothing about, and certainly nothing against the Eastern Churches–you are reading something that I did not say into what I actually said. If I had either posted my comments in the EC forum, or I had made any reference to the ECs you might have a point–but I did neither.

In this context, the Latin language is not only preferred when the “faithful are homogeneous” but Latin is the preferred language, regardless of what might be the vernacular language(s) of the assembly.

If you want to debate or discuss the way that the Eastern Churches use their own liturgical languages and/or their own vernaculars, I’m sure you could start or find such a thread in the Eastern Churches forum.

I caught the other posters remark, too, and thought better of commenting on it at the time. But now that you’ve “broken the ice” so-to-speak, I’ll say that there are mixed opinions in the East and Orient about the issue of liturgical language, just as there are in the Latin Church. Some in the East and Orient are all hot-to-trot with vernacular, while others believe that the traditional liturgical languages should be maintained (preferably in whole but at least in part). And this is not a strictly diaspora (US or otherwise) issue.

 

[CWBetts]

First of all, since this is not the Eastern Catholic forum, that puts the context of my post in the Western Church, not the Eastern Churches. The Church does indeed have a preference for Latin in this context. I stand by that. I said nothing about, and certainly nothing against the Eastern Churches–you are reading something that I did not say into what I actually said. If I had either posted my comments in the EC forum, or I had made any reference to the ECs you might have a point–but I did neither.

In this context, the Latin language is not only preferred when the “faithful are homogeneous” but Latin is the preferred language, regardless of what might be the vernacular language(s) of the assembly.

If you want to debate or discuss the way that the Eastern Churches use their own liturgical languages and/or their own vernaculars, I’m sure you could start or find such a thread in the Eastern Churches forum.

Just because this is not an Eastern Catholic forum does not give you the right to infer that their rites are inferior because they are not in Latin. Second, th vernacular is to be used as it promotes understanding among the faithful. Exclusive use of the Latin promotes “going through the motions” and as such, the use of the vernacular is not to be discouraged, though Latin is to be preserved. Again I say, there is nothing that makes Latin somehow holier than other languages. To suggest otherwise is a manifestation of either stubbornness or ignorance.

 

[malphono]

Just because this is not an Eastern Catholic forum does not give you the right to infer that their rites are inferior because they are not in Latin.

Oh, please … FrDavid96 inferred **nothing **of the sort.

Second, th vernacular is to be used as it promotes understanding among the faithful. Exclusive use of the Latin promotes “going through the motions” and as such, the use of the vernacular is not to be discouraged, though Latin is to be preserved. Again I say, there is nothing that makes Latin somehow holier than other languages. To suggest otherwise is a manifestation of either stubbornness or ignorance.

All of that is merely YOUR opinion.

 

[archangel04]

The Spanish masses that I sometimes attend already translated the way it was always meant to be. Seems like the English masses where the ony masses that were affected by the translations in the late 60’s.