During shroud display, Turin will forgive women who had abortions

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estesbob said:
It is always an attempt to shut the discussion down. Whether the church handled the homosexual priest scandal correctly or not has no bearing whatsoever on church teaching concerning abortion . But it’s an easy way to take a dig at the church , ignore the topic, and move on
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Why do you call it “the homosexual priest scandal”?

You are surely not suggesting that those priest who raped girls don’t count?
 
DrTaffy said:
Why do you call it “the homosexual priest scandal”?

You are surely not suggesting that those priest who raped girls don’t count?
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88% of the abuse as homosexual rape of post pubescent males. There were very few girls molested.
 
nodito said:
Excommunication is a medicinal “punishment” - meant to emphasize the serious nature of the chosen sin and the urgent need to reconcile with the Church. In the case of murder, everyone generally recognizes that it is seriously wrong and so excommunication is not necessary as a consequence (though it remains, like abortion, a grave sin). In the United States, all priests generally have permission to lift the excommunication in the confessional.
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Thank you. This actually makes some sense to me. I had never considered the difference that one (murder) is usually recognized as bad, while the other (abortion) isn’t.
 
TCEL said:
Thank you. This actually makes some sense to me. I had never considered the difference that one (murder) is usually recognized as bad, while the other (abortion) isn’t.
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So was it excommunicable before Roe v Wade?
 
estesbob said:
Yes. In fact there was a time where the excommunication for this could only be lifted by the pope
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Starting with the pope,then conferring this onto bishops and now priests.I have to think that the decision to allow priests to absolve the sin of abortion,is do to the large number of abortions committed and therefore making absolution more accessible via the priest as opposed to seeking out a bishop,much less the pope!
 
estesbob said:
Yes. In fact there was a time where the excommunication for this could only be lifted by the pope
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Hello,

I don’t know about the time prior to the 1917 Code but in that Code, this penalty was reserved to the Ordinary (bishop and his vicars, basically). It’s the same now.

Dan
 
TCEL said:
Forgive me for being slow, but I’ve missed your point.
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Basically, I was wondering why murder is not excommunicable but abortion is, and if the excommunicability of abortion happened as a response to RvW, as a way of strengthening punishments to deter what was henceforth legal.
 
on_the_hill said:
Basically, I was wondering why murder is not excommunicable but abortion is, and if the excommunicability of abortion happened as a response to RvW, as a way of strengthening punishments to deter what was henceforth legal.
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Ok, thanks for the clarification. The reason the explanation made some sense to me is that society at large does in fact consider murder immoral, but doesn’t consider abortion immoral. However, as to the second part of your statement, I don’t have many educated thoughts. If I understood the above posts correctly, abortion was excommunicable before RvW. (However, if correct, then this suggests to me that abortion is excommunicable because of its nature, regardless of social acceptance, or not.)

At this point, I’ll stay mum since I’m getting in over my head. =)
 
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