Dutch Reformed Church to permit Samse Sex Marriage

[kaneata]

Thankfully, the Catholic Church sticks with Biblical teaching and doesn’t go with the current cultural flow.

 

[dronald]

Thankfully, the Catholic Church sticks with Biblical teaching and doesn’t go with the current cultural flow.

Unless it comes to burning heretics. (And no I am not being snarky, it’s true.)

 

[FollowChrist34]

iol.co.za/news/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/dutch-reformed-church-s-radical-gay-ruling-1.1928889#.Vh-8XfmqpBc

This is important because I was raised and baptized in this denomination. Most of my relatives are still (nominal) members.

I find it said that they have chosen to abandon the traditional Christian interpretation of marriage and family. It’s just as disastrous as their decision to declare that the racist abomination that was Apartheid was divinely ordained and in line with God’s will-until they decided it wasn’t.

Why am I getting the feeling that in the end the Catholic Church will end up being the only Christian denomination that will uphold traditional Christian values?

Et tu, Brute?

The Dutch Reformed struck terror into my heart growing up. A) my family were (poor) hippies and B) I was a Catholic. They were the WAY and they had very little use for those who were not on their path. I cannot believe this. :nope: I’ll tell you this - those folks are livid at this I bet.

 

[Porknpie]

I find it interesting that people say this about others but not themselves.

This is common but I don’t think people even think this “I’m finding a church to fit my views, rather than finding the Church that Christ established and conforming my views to fit this Church”

It seems like everyone who is religious finds a religion that fits their views.

Egg-actly. That was my point.

As a Catholic, do you personally find any views of the Catholic Church morally objectionable?

No not one. There are however teachings of the Church however that I would rather…at times…because of my inclination to sin…would rather not conform too. But to do so would be morally wrong.

Do you have one to offer?

If you did, would you continue to follow them regardless?

I can only appy this to non-Catholic denominations. For example, if a denomination said it was permissible to have an abortion, that life began at birth, and I knew from reason, science, scripture and 2,000 years of Christian belief that this was an immoral teaching, I would follow my conscious, the truth, and not do so.

 

[commenter]

I find it interesting that people say this about others but not themselves. It seems like everyone who is religious finds a religion that fits their views. Or else, they just agree with the religious that they were raised in.

As a Catholic, do you personally find any views of the Catholic Church morally objectionable? If you did, would you continue to follow them regardless?

There is a difference between:

• finding a religion that makes you comfortable, helps you “fit” into the secular world;
  and
• finding a religion that continually challenges you, that sometimes goes against the grain of the secular world to affirm what is absolutely true or right;

The Catholic Church is of the second kind. The Magisterium affirms what is true, and right, and its reliability is not affected by whether it is agreed to by 1% or 99% of people in general, or Catholics themselves. For me, it is still reliable. For others, also.

 

[Alex_H]

It can never happen, i.e., the Church is and will forever be protected by the Holy Spirit, no matter who the pope is.

p.s. Just recollect some of the awful popes we had, and then ask yourself how it was possible that none of our doctrines changed?

Haha that certainly is true.

 

[Alex_H]

I find it interesting that people say this about others but not themselves. It seems like everyone who is religious finds a religion that fits their views. Or else, they just agree with the religious that they were raised in.

As a Catholic, do you personally find any views of the Catholic Church morally objectionable? If you did, would you continue to follow them regardless?

I left the Catholic Church before I was able to be baptized because I disagreed with it on three things: Abortion, Gay Marriage, and Confession. I wasn’t raised in a religion but the closest thing to it would be liberalism. My mom was a feminist and strongly believed in a woman’s right to choose abortion and gay marriage. As far as I was concerned, I was thirteen at the time I was in RCIA and just kind of believed that my mom was always right. So I left the church, got baptized in the Episcopal church as it fit my views closely.

My journey back to Catholicism began when I started studying the scriptures. Jeremiah says that God knows us before we are in the womb. Psalm 139 says that God knits us together in the womb. The New Testament talks a lot about how homosexuality is wrong. Lastly, I left because I didn’t like the idea of confessing my sins to a priest. Mostly because I felt ashamed of my sins and didn’t want anyone to know about them. Well, the book of James speaks of confession to another person as a way to be healed from your sin.

So in one way you are correct – there are a lot of people who try to find the religion that best suits their views. My life has worked in a completely different way, though.

 

[jlhargus]

It can never happen, i.e., the Church is and will forever be protected by the Holy Spirit, no matter who the pope is.

p.s. Just recollect some of the awful popes we had, and then ask yourself how it was possible that none of our doctrines changed?

I agree with you totally but it could seem to happen with an anti-pope which most of the **secular world **would follow and proclaim as the valid pope. Even forcing the valid pope out of Rome into hiding.

 

[jlhargus]

I find it interesting that people say this about others but not themselves. It seems like everyone who is religious finds a religion that fits their views. Or else, they just agree with the religious that they were raised in.

As a Catholic, do you personally find any views of the Catholic Church morally objectionable? If you did, would you continue to follow them regardless?

I didn’t convert to the Catholic Church because it fit my views. In fact some of its views were totally contrary to my Protestant views. I converted under the conviction Christ founded one Church and the Catholic was it. So I submitted myself to the Church as to Christ.

 

[Padres1969]

iol.co.za/news/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/dutch-reformed-church-s-radical-gay-ruling-1.1928889#.Vh-8XfmqpBc

This is important because I was raised and baptized in this denomination. Most of my relatives are still (nominal) members.

I find it said that they have chosen to abandon the traditional Christian interpretation of marriage and family. It’s just as disastrous as their decision to declare that the racist abomination that was Apartheid was divinely ordained and in line with God’s will-until they decided it wasn’t.

Why am I getting the feeling that in the end the Catholic Church will end up being the only Christian denomination that will uphold traditional Christian values?

Because you’re Catholic ?

Seriously though, I suspect the Catholic Church won’t be alone in maintaining that one man/one woman marriage is the only valid marriage. The Orthodox Churches are right there with the Catholic Church on the issue. Most of the Baptist denominations including the largest Southern Baptist Convention are as steadfast in support of that position. As are denominations like the Lutheran Missouri Synod, Lutheran Wisconsin Synod, Presbyterian Church in America, Church of the Nazarene, Churches of Christ, breakaway Anglicans, and if you count them as Christian the LDS Church and Jehovah’s Witnesses.

I think the big difference is, since the Catholic Church is probably the most institutionally hierarchically structured of all the Christian churches (other than maybe the LDS and the Orthodox churches), when there are any objections to the church whole groups don’t tend to break off as you see with the Protestant churches. In a Protestant Church if a congregation majority has an issue with the position of the church as a whole they can often defect as a congregation. You’ve seen this happen with the Anglicans, some Lutherans, and the Methodists for example. It is admittedly due to the more local control that both diocese and/or congregations have over their own governance have in the Protestant churches. But while most Catholics in the US for example support same sex marriage and abortion, there’s no formal means by which they’d breakaway as parishes for example if they wanted to, nor change the position of the church internally. If members want to leave, they have no choice but to leave individually (or as I’ve been informed technically they can never leave).

 

[Thorolfr]

Good for the Dutch Reformed Church

 

[spedteacherita]

Good for the Dutch Reformed Church

Scripture is very clear that our churches should not go this way. We have 2 ELCA churches in the area which (1) a significant number of members left to begin a mission church in order to stay true to the inerrant, inspired teachings of Scripture and another who is now a NALC. What would Luther think about what is being taught and celebrated in churches that carry his name?

Blessings!

Rita

 

[Thorolfr]

What would Luther think about what is being taught and celebrated in churches that carry his name?

Blessings!

Rita

Although I admire many things about Luther, he was hardly infallible.

 

[Starwarsfan2]

Although I admire many things about Luther, he was hardly infallible.

He s not infallible, but scripture is , and the scriptures are clear on the matter permitting same sex marriage is contrary to the moral law .

 

[MaryT777]

He s not infallible, but scripture is , and the scriptures are clear on the matter permitting same sex marriage is contrary to the moral law .

This most certainly is true.

Mary.

 

[jlhargus]

Good for the Dutch Reformed Church

According to scripture It isn’t good, but bad, for those now no longer Christian denominations and gays unless they repent and return to Jesus and His gospel. How can they repent if the are taught a lie?

[2Thes2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.]

Mt16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Rms1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;] .

[1Cor6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.]

[1Tm1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;]

[Gal1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.]