DVD: The Secret

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Shoshana said:
You may not get ensnared…but there are many who do! No, I have not read the book yet…but I will. There is a lot of deception in many of the books out there…this is what I am trying to warn the dangers of. Look, I have also been part of an exorcism team for five years…and with this experience, I know all too well the dangers…
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Yes, the evil one can be most deceptive. However, it seems you may have been part of the exorcism team a little too long, you may need to step back a while. YOu see snares of the devil everywhere, that too can be a deception, such negativity can make love run cold. I will, however, pray for your noble pursuit that God will continue to keep you safe.
 
thecoach said:
Yes, the evil one can be most deceptive. However, it seems you may have been part of the exorcism team a little too long, you may need to step back a while. YOu see snares of the devil everywhere, that too can be a deception, such negativity can make love run cold. I will, however, pray for your noble pursuit that God will continue to keep you safe.
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Again you are wrong my friend! it has been over ten years since I hace been part of the team…but you have a blessed day. My love has not grown cold whatsoever, actually it is quite the opposite…I want to be possessed by the O ne who gave me Life, me, a poor sinner! :signofcross:
 
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Again you are wrong my friend! it has been over ten years since I hace been part of the team…but you have a blessed day. My love has not grown cold whatsoever, actually it is quite the opposite…I want to be possessed by the O ne who gave me Life, me, a poor sinner! :signofcross:
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well not wrong, just responding to how you worded your post. I will, however, humbly beg your prayers on my behalf, they are most needed at this moment.
 
I don’t know folks. I am very conservative and I have never believed any of the touchy-feely spiritualist nonsense but there may be something to this stuff. I have not seen the DVD or read the book, and I don’t plan to, but someone at the gym was telling me about it. It essentially seems to be about focusing on the positive and where you want your life to go and the belief that doing this and really believing it and feeling as though it has already happened can make it happen. Silly-sounding stuff. This may have roots in truth and maybe the people behind this DVD are just misinterpreting it. The reason I say this is based on two real-life experiences I have had. When we got married, my wife and I were not actively religious, and being raised Methodist I was not Catholic although I somehow had always seen the Catholic Church as God’s true Church. I do not know why. Well, all of the sudden we both decided we needed to bring God into our lives and I went through R.C.I.A. and we both got very involved in the Church. We were EM’s and the whole bit. Even though we were happier, we always had money trouble. At some point we decided to just trust in God to provide for us and stopped focusing on our worries and within a little over a month things just turned around. We did not “set goals” or “work harder” or change anything about the way we did things. We just believed that everything would work out and our lives would improve and it happened. I do not think it was our “energy” or “being one with the universe” or any of that nonsense. I think it was God hearing us. The other event is somewhat less encompassing but very similar. I have been playing guitar for over 30 years. My talent had pretty much plateaued at one point until I realized something. When I was trying to learn a particularly difficult piece, as the hard parts were approaching I would find myself visualizing them and thinking “oh man, here comes that part I always mess up” and I would invariably mess it up again. I noticed that my mindset was completely different than when I was playing a piece that I had mastered and found easy. I decided to alter my mindset when playing the harder songs to the point where I was visualizing just playing right through them as if there was nothing to it. I was feeling it and seeing it as though it had already happened. It took a little while but once it hit not only did it work but my level of talent soared in a VERY short time. I was playing pieces that I had never dreamed I would ever be able to play just months earlier. It was not “sorcery”, it was not new-age mumbo-jumbo. I visualized something and made it happen. If I had just made it easier to learn new songs that would be one thing, but my ability advanced further in months than I thought it would if I lived to be 150 and kept playing the whole time. It was almost creepy. Even creepier, I have taught 2 other musicians how to do this and they have had similar results. So, not being familiar with “The Secret” I can’t really comment directly on it but I can say there may be more to it than most people want to believe and it may be something that the people in the DVD are misinterpreting. It may just be the way our minds, and God, can work for us if we let them.
 
siamesecat said:
The Secret is just a fancy, ridiculous way of saying that if you work hard and have a positive attitude, you will get things in return. Not that complicated. All this energy stuff is just a scam. I watch Oprah and Ellen every day and they both have devoted more than one show to it and I turned it off both times. It seemed they were being sucked into philosophical and spirital nonsense IMO.
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I just happened to have read a critique of this book in the most recent National Review by Jason Lee Steorts. You might be able to find it online. Among other things, he describes The Secret as New Age gnosticism.

What goes around comes around; there’s nothing new under the sun.

Stick to the teachings of Holy Mother Church and don’t waste your time on this kind of blather.

Blessed remainder of Lent,
Mimi
 
I have seen the DVD> And I almost cried our of sheer boredom and the subtle deception through it all. They imitate God’s Word for their agenda! They say we want you to experience the fullness of life! :mad: I will get back to this later…

Here is an example of our local mount Carmel is offering to the people of the diocese! Ask me if I am not upset? :mad:

Inspirational Speaker/Author
BIJAN
Back in Niagara Falls
“Effortless Living”
World renowned, inspirational speaker/author BIJAN will be at Mount Carmel Spiritual Centre on Friday, April 27 and Saturday, April 28, 2007 - Assisting you in breaking free of self-limiting patterns and beliefs to help you live in full abundance.
His workshop, Effortless Living…the negative belief system of the mass consciousness of this planet…teaches us that life is full of effort and we, must suffer and struggle to make something out of ourselves. This belief system can not be further from the truth. However, if we buy into it and make it our own, we will create our lives to be as such and see ourselves full of turmoil and suffering. This one and half-day seminar will show us an easy yet profound way to release all the challenges that we have created for ourselves, and be open to an effortless life and joyful living. Once you are above the line and realize you are the one creating everything in your life, then you become aware that the key to your happiness is held in your hand and you will open yourself to a life of peace, joy and effortless living.
BIJAN has studied many forms of meditation and spent 9 years as a student and teacher of A Course of Miracles. With simplicity and humor he shares his wisdom and experience. BIJAN has helped thousands of people around the world on their journey to freedom. Just being in his presence can create shifts.
BIJAN has written several books, including best seller Effortless Prosperity which is all over the world in different languages, and created many CD’s.
Friday, April 27
7:30 – 9:30 PM
(introductory evening only)
$20.00Saturday, April 28
10:00 AM – 6:00 PM
$120.00 (includes Friday evening)
 
Here is an example of our local mount Carmel is offering to the people of the diocese! Ask me if I am not upset? :mad:

Inspirational Speaker/Author
BIJAN
Back in Niagara Falls
“Effortless Living”
World renowned, inspirational speaker/author BIJAN will be at Mount Carmel Spiritual Centre on Friday, April 27 and Saturday, April 28, 2007 - Assisting you in breaking free of self-limiting patterns and beliefs to help you live in full abundance.
His workshop, Effortless Living…the negative belief system of the mass consciousness of this planet…teaches us that life is full of effort and we, must suffer and struggle to make something out of ourselves. This belief system can not be further from the truth. However, if we buy into it and make it our own, we will create our lives to be as such and see ourselves full of turmoil and suffering. This one and half-day seminar will show us an easy yet profound way to release all the challenges that we have created for ourselves, and be open to an effortless life and joyful living. Once you are above the line and realize you are the one creating everything in your life, then you become aware that the key to your happiness is held in your hand and you will open yourself to a life of peace, joy and effortless living.
BIJAN has studied many forms of meditation and spent 9 years as a student and teacher of A Course of Miracles. With simplicity and humor he shares his wisdom and experience. BIJAN has helped thousands of people around the world on their journey to freedom. Just being in his presence can create shifts.
BIJAN has written several books, including best seller Effortless Prosperity which is all over the world in different languages, and created many CD’s.
Friday, April 27
7:30 – 9:30 PM
(introductory evening only)
$20.00Saturday, April 28
10:00 AM – 6:00 PM
$120.00 (includes Friday evening)
 
Oh my gosh, Shoshana! Is the Mount Carmel Spiritual Centre part of your diocese? Your bishop can’t approve of this, can he?! I can’t believe a Catholic diocese could approve of this. I’m not surprised that just being around this “BIJAN” guy creates “shifts”. Just reading his press release causes the hairs on my arms to stand up & lots of anger, too.

This is in your area? I can’t help thinking that maybe it’s not a coincidence that you are so well informed about the dangers of this. Maybe you can shed some light on it. If the diocese won’t stop it, is there anyway you or any like-minded friends or clergy could attend? You could calmly & respectfully ask difficult questions. That would be difficult to do & would mean putting $ in their pocket, but maybe a letter to the editor of your paper or something.

That’s really upsetting to hear, Shoshana. I hope the diocese changes their mind. I wonder how the Holy Family would have felt about “Effortless Living”?
 
“you are the one creating everything in your life”… It’s hard to believe these people convince so many that this is compatable with Judeo-Christian beliefs! Thank Heaven for Divine Mercy!
 
**Oprah is a wolf in sheep’s clothing if ever there was one. The one phrase I heard from her than nearly made me vomit and made me realize just how dangerous she is was…

" I live in the space where God is"

Excuse me?

So, I guess we should all want to get in the same ‘space’ that Oprah is in huh; to get closer to God.:rolleyes:

Why would anyone but Catholics especially,need Oprah or her alleged ‘secret’. With the voluminous amount of spiritual writings, teachings, and traditions we as Catholics have, it makes her ‘secret’ look like some drivel from the Babysitters Club books or something. :whacky: **
aboverubies said:
Dare I ask “apparently you can be…” what?
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**I think she means…Apparently you can be Catholic and Pro-Choice

At least that’s what it seems like she means having read many of her posts. No way to be sure since she doesn’t complete the whole phrase in her signature line.

Correct me if I am wrong please.**
 
fnz2thrght said:
I’m wondering where Jesus said “the kingdom of heaven is within?” I thought he said “the kingdom of heaven is at hand”. Two vastly different statments. I don’t know every verse in the bible so I could be wrong, but I’ve never heard that before.

The issue is that this is being touted as complementing Christianity, and it does not, in any shape and form. Again, just because Oprah says its so, doesn’t mean it is.

I think the fact remains (and most of the posters here realize this) that we need to gather our facts, and our forces and get our stories straight so that we can go out and spread the word that these things are not from God.
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That passage from Luke (17:21) is quite frequently translated as ‘the kingdom of God is within you’ - in the NIV, ASV, ESV, KJV and NKJV translations at least.

Certainly immediately preceding it is a statement to the effect of ‘’ people will not say ‘here it is’ or ‘there it is’ ". Clearly this indicates that it is not something distinct from ourselves. So it seems a not unreasonable translation.

Doesn’t mean I agree with The Message of course - we should be about conforming ourselves and our world to God’s will and not the other way around.
 
Shoshana said:
I have seen the DVD> And I almost cried our of sheer boredom and the subtle deception through it all. They imitate God’s Word for their agenda! They say we want you to experience the fullness of life! :mad: I will get back to this later…

Here is an example of our local mount Carmel is offering to the people of the diocese! Ask me if I am not upset? :mad:

Inspirational Speaker/Author
BIJAN
Back in Niagara Falls
“Effortless Living”
World renowned, inspirational speaker/author BIJAN will be at Mount Carmel Spiritual Centre on Friday, April 27 and Saturday, April 28, 2007 - Assisting you in breaking free of self-limiting patterns and beliefs to help you live in full abundance.
His workshop, Effortless Living…the negative belief system of the mass consciousness of this planet…teaches us that life is full of effort and we, must suffer and struggle to make something out of ourselves. This belief system can not be further from the truth. However, if we buy into it and make it our own, we will create our lives to be as such and see ourselves full of turmoil and suffering. This one and half-day seminar will show us an easy yet profound way to release all the challenges that we have created for ourselves, and be open to an effortless life and joyful living. Once you are above the line and realize you are the one creating everything in your life, then you become aware that the key to your happiness is held in your hand and you will open yourself to a life of peace, joy and effortless living.
BIJAN has studied many forms of meditation and spent 9 years as a student and teacher of A Course of Miracles. With simplicity and humor he shares his wisdom and experience. BIJAN has helped thousands of people around the world on their journey to freedom. Just being in his presence can create shifts.
BIJAN has written several books, including best seller Effortless Prosperity which is all over the world in different languages, and created many CD’s.
Friday, April 27
7:30 – 9:30 PM
(introductory evening only)
$20.00Saturday, April 28
10:00 AM – 6:00 PM
$120.00 (includes Friday evening)
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are they serious??? someone teaching who is going to spout from A Course in Miracles??? :doh2:
 
thecoach said:
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are they serious??? someone teaching who is going to spout from A Course in Miracles??? :doh2:
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Who wouldn’t trust Bijan’s smiling face?

http://www.crystallight.com.tw/images/ai/bijan.jpg:knight2:

the “REAL” secret behind ‘the secret’ is the amazing viral marketing campaign they spread it around the web with. shoddy philosophies with excellent marketing minds behind it. slick production value… the secret i want to know is who buys into the bunk. and secondly, of all the people ‘practicing’ the secret… what does it mean that the ‘universe’ provides… seems like a direct replacement for God.
 
thechrismyster said:
Who wouldn’t trust Bijan’s smiling face?

http://www.crystallight.com.tw/images/ai/bijan.jpg:knight2:

the “REAL” secret behind ‘the secret’ is the amazing viral marketing campaign they spread it around the web with. shoddy philosophies with excellent marketing minds behind it. slick production value… the secret i want to know is who buys into the bunk. and secondly, of all the people ‘practicing’ the secret… what does it mean that the ‘universe’ provides… seems like a direct replacement for God.
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not exactly. the gist of it is the YOU replace God. You are the creator of your life, blah blah blah. While there are some good points as far as thinking positively goes, and that can afect your emotional life, it is you who are God in this scenario. Now to play devil’s advocate, does not Jesus promise the ability to do great things to those who beleive? So is the pretense of creating so far fetched?
 
Hastrman said:
Except it’s philosophically illiterate, sophomoric materialism, fit only for has-been stage magicians and bad popular science writers. It is not “a more abstract scientific explanation”, it’s bad philosophy masquerading as science.

All things did not come from energy, because energy is material–fundamentally, energy is matter (Einstein, anyone?). Nothing nonphysical–angels, human souls, the mind–came from energy. Unless you decide, contrary to three hundred years of science, to assume energy isn’t physical, in which case physicists wouldn’t study it, would they?

The whole premise is ridiculous.
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It sounds like a New Age version of Scientology - I realize that statement might be redundent.
 
thecoach said:
not exactly. the gist of it is the YOU replace God. You are the creator of your life, blah blah blah. While there are some good points as far as thinking positively goes, and that can afect your emotional life, it is you who are God in this scenario. Now to play devil’s advocate, does not Jesus promise the ability to do great things to those who beleive? So is the pretense of creating so far fetched?
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I prefer Matthew 6:16 to the ‘secret’ anyday.

"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat (or drink), or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?
Look at the birds in the sky; they do not sow or reap, they gather nothing into barns, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are not you more important than they?
Can any of you by worrying add a single moment to your life-span?
Why are you anxious about clothes? Learn from the way the wild flowers grow. They do not work or spin.
But I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was clothed like one of them.
If God so clothes the grass of the field, which grows today and is thrown into the oven tomorrow, will he not much more provide for you, O you of little faith?
So do not worry and say, ‘What are we to eat?’ or ‘What are we to drink?’ or ‘What are we to wear?’
All these things the pagans seek. Your heavenly Father knows that you need them all.
But seek first the kingdom (of God) and his righteousness, and all these things will be given you besides.
Do not worry about tomorrow; tomorrow will take care of itself.

:heaven:
 
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