Dwelling on the negative

[netmilsmom]

Pariah Pirana:

It took a long time for your parish to get into the sordid state that it’s in today. It also took a great deal of “work” by dissidents.

No one ever said it was going to be easy. The worst thing one can do is cut and run…

Sometimes leaving to go to another parish IS the best thing one can do. In my Archdiocese, they are a year away from the decision to close and cluster parishes. By going to a good parish, my cash goes there too.
The parish I left, feels that they will not be closed because they have no debt. This may be true but actually I think that having no debt but bleeding parishioners will not be good when the cuts start coming.
I talked with my feet. My wallet followed.
If we stay in bad parishes where we are unhappy and things are slow to change, we are making a statement. A statement that says, “Nothing is wrong here.” to the higher ups who don’t go there every day. If we get to a good parish, the higher ups understand that people are tired of Kumbaya Masses and want EWTN Holy Masses.

Honestly, I’m not dwelling on the negative as much as I am going to the positive. Those who want the true Vatican II NO Holy Masses have been told to get with the program too long. Our conservative priests have been run out of seminaries by the Lavendar Mafia. Things are changing in that those who want more of the lavish ceremony of the Holy Mass, are beginning to get it. But if we don’t go there and support those Holy Priests, the Bishops will handle those parishes as they do the TLM. When a Bishop allows a TLM in a downtown parish, in a bad neighborhood, an hour away from the majority of Catholics, there is a purpose to it. He can then state that people don’t want it because only a few hundred of us will show up. If we don’t support the “Deep Catholic” parishes, they will disappear as well.

If a grocery store didn’t carry milk, would I continue shopping there, and lobby to have them stock it? Or go to a different store and when the first one realized that they lose business to the store that does carry milk, let them realize their mistake?

 

[iamrefreshed]

May I ask a rookie question? I have looked up all these terms in my Catholic dictionaty (2002 version) and I still do not understand the following and how they relate:

Pauline Mass
N.O. Mass
Tridentine Mass
Indult Mass

Can anyone help me? I would love to know which I am attending presently. I have posted a similar thread elsewhere on the site and everyone was VERY helpful but still way over my head. Any help in very plain English would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

 

[netmilsmom]

iamrefreshed:

May I ask a rookie question? I have looked up all these terms in my Catholic dictionaty (2002 version) and I still do not understand the following and how they relate:

Pauline Mass
N.O. Mass
Tridentine Mass
Indult Mass

Can anyone help me? I would love to know which I am attending presently. I have posted a similar thread elsewhere on the site and everyone was VERY helpful but still way over my head. Any help in very plain English would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Ooooo! I’ll try!
Pauline Mass, in plain terms is the same as the N.O. There may be some technicalities that are different but when the people say Pauline it’s opposed to the Trindentine. Pauline being started by Pope Paul and Trindentine being the started by the Council of Trent.
The TLM and Trindentine are the same.
An Indult Mass is the TLM allowed by a Diocese. For a long time they were frowned upon and one could only go to a parish which was celebrating them without permission of the Diocese. (although the Vatican always said that they could be celebrated) Now the Indult give us the TLM.
I hope I am totally right and if not I’m sure someone else will help.
Good question!

 

[msproule]

That is the way I understand it, as well.

For further clarification, “N.O.” is short for *Novus Ordo, *referring to the “New Order” of the Mass as promulgated by Pope Paul VI. But *Pauline *is probably a more appropriate term for it.

 

[chicago]

There are various vernacular terms which get thrown on the Masses. Basically, if you are attending the typical and normative Mass which is celebrated in the great majority of parishes, then you are attending what might be called the “Pauline Mass” (since it was instituted by Pope Paul VI or the “Novus Ordo” (N.O.) for “New Order of Mass”. At some parishes you might be able to attend a special (sometimes called “Tridentine” or “Traditional Latin Mass”) Mass according to the older rites which is celebrated in Latin (not that a N.O. coulnd’t be celebrated in Latin, but they usually are not). These Masses require special permission (called an indult) to be offered and this has been allowed by some bishops for certain priests and parishes. If you were attending one of these Masses, you would know that you are. There are also some places and priests who are celebrating this Mass without permission of the indult. Some of them may belong to schismatic groups like the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).