Dying during an abortion

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If a woman dies during an abortion is that a 100% way to hell? because she is dying in an act of mortal sin…There are people who die in a state of mortal sin, and the church says that they are damned, but to actually die during an ACT of mortal sin, how much more worse is that? Would that be almost 100% sureity of hell? because the mortal sin is being commited right before death and there is no time in between for contrition or confession?
 
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If a woman dies during an abortion is that a 100% way to hell? because she is dying in an act of mortal sin…There are people who die in a state of mortal sin, and the church says that they are damned, but to actually die during an ACT of mortal sin, how much more worse is that? Would that be almost 100% sureity of hell? because the mortal sin is being commited right before death and there is no time in between for contrition or confession?
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I would say yes in most all cases. I think one sins on some level when they actually decided to commit the sin and start it in progress.
 
Well the thing that makes it so dangerous is that there is no priest or time for contrition or confession during an abortion. If a woman dies during one how does she get absolution?

If a person commits a sin that dosen’t kill them, they can at least have time to have contrition and goto confession, but if you die in the act of sin how is that even possible? I somehow doubt if a woman asks forgiveness beforehand, and then goes and has the abortion, that that would be invalid contrition, since there must be a firm resolve to stop it.

I remember the saints said that commiting sin just for the sake of God forgiving you in the future is one of the worst things someone can do and is a sign of reprobation.
 
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If a woman dies during an abortion is that a 100% way to hell? because she is dying in an act of mortal sin…There are people who die in a state of mortal sin, and the church says that they are damned, but to actually die during an ACT of mortal sin, how much more worse is that? Would that be almost 100% sureity of hell? because the mortal sin is being commited right before death and there is no time in between for contrition or confession?
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We don’t know the state of any person’s soul. It is accurate to say that dieing in a state of mortal sin is how one gets to Hell.

We cannot state that every woman who has an abortion is committing a mortal sin because mortal sin requires grave matter as well as *full knowledge *and free will. One or both of these can be diminished in any particular case.
 
Always remember that God is the judge. We cannot know the fate of the woman’s soul unless she is canonized.

Remember that extenuating circumstances can mitigate her culpability, and perhaps eliminate it completely. Perhaps.
 
I do not think we should assume any thing like that. Only God knows.

One must know they are committing a mortal sin.
I do not believe all know it is a mortal sin. I also think some younger girls are coerced into abortions by other people. I also think that there are some women who have bought into the idea that it is not life - or women who are uneducated.

It’s also not our place to surmise.
 
1ke said:
We don’t know the state of any person’s soul. It is accurate to say that dieing in a state of mortal sin is how one gets to Hell.

We cannot state that every woman who has an abortion is committing a mortal sin because mortal sin requires grave matter as well as *full knowledge *and free will. One or both of these can be diminished in any particular case.
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So if a woman dies from an abortion, and she was pressured by her parents or BF to have one, would that reduce the culpability?
 
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So if a woman dies from an abortion, and she was pressured by her parents or BF to have one, would that reduce the culpability?
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Correct. Whether or not it makes it totally venial or no sin at all depends on the specific circumstances. However, it should be something that you should confess (and at least lay out to the confessor).
 
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So if a woman dies from an abortion, and she was pressured by her parents or BF to have one, would that reduce the culpability?
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Absolutely, if it is not a free choice. I have no doubt some women are driven by fear, some by a despair of being able to handle things, lots of mitigating circumstances. It is a mistake to assume that every woman getting an abortion is some kind of monster. No doubt some are. Why do you think that the state of Wisconsin, for example, at one time had a law where both the woman and the provider were considered criminals. The law is still on the books, but a more recent law, passed before Roe v.s. Wade, takes the woman off the hook for criminal prosecution. Since Roe v.s. Wade the laws are still on the books, but cannot be enforced. The federal government has used the 14th amendment to remove states rights in a lot of situations, not just slavery.
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PetersKeys said:
So if a woman dies from an abortion, and she was pressured by her parents or BF to have one, would that reduce the culpability?
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Purely anectdotal as I don’t have her website with me, but there was a girl who started a journal to heal from her abortion. She became pregnant right before her husband was sent to Iraq. While he was gone, her parents literally drugged her and forced her to an abortion clinic.

She wrote of waking up after the abortion not even knowing what was going on.

This is a case showing diminished culpability.
 
I wouldn’t make assumptions about anyone’s final destination no matter what we think we know about that person. Only God knows who’s going where, and we all have to rely on His Mercy.
 
Thankfully, Only God determines who shall be allowed into heaven and who shall be consigned to hell.

We can be assured that our sinful acts lessen our own chances at the beautific vision. We can and should be examples of the Christian Life to which we care called and model that Christian life for others. This includes frank and honest discussions of sin and the consequences of sinful actions …

We cannot determine who is not in heaven nor can we determine who will not make it to the pearly gates … that is for God and God alone to decide …

We can [and should] pray for all who pass from this life to God and entrust them to His care and mercy, no matter what we may think of the state of their souls …

personally I am trying to focus on the state of my own soul and my own struggles with sin and temptation … enough to occupy me for a life time and then some … Please Dear Jesus have mercy on me :o
 
YADA said:
Thankfully, Only God determines who shall be allowed into heaven and who shall be consigned to hell.

We can be assured that our sinful acts lessen our own chances at the beautific vision. We can and should be examples of the Christian Life to which we care called and model that Christian life for others. This includes frank and honest discussions of sin and the consequences of sinful actions …

We cannot determine who is not in heaven nor can we determine who will not make it to the pearly gates … that is for God and God alone to decide …

We can [and should] pray for all who pass from this life to God and entrust them to His care and mercy, no matter what we may think of the state of their souls …

personally I am trying to focus on the state of my own soul and my own struggles with sin and temptation … enough to occupy me for a life time and then some … Please Dear Jesus have mercy on me :o
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Yea that is true, sometime we focus too much on other peoples lives and not enough on ours. but if we focus too much on ourselves we can get selfish. Its a very thin line between the 2 lol
 
As true at that may be, I’d sure hate to be the woman dying on the table doing such an awful thing.
 
PetersKeys said:
If a woman dies during an abortion is that a 100% way to hell? because she is dying in an act of mortal sin…There are people who die in a state of mortal sin, and the church says that they are damned, but to actually die during an ACT of mortal sin, how much more worse is that? Would that be almost 100% sureity of hell? because the mortal sin is being commited right before death and there is no time in between for contrition or confession?
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I think it’s not 100%, but I think if she voluntarily consented to the abortion with full knowledge of what was going on there, then it would be similar to one’s chances of surviving a jump out of an airplane, without a parachute. Miracles can happen, but they are extremely rare.
 
PetersKeys said:
If a woman dies during an abortion is that a 100% way to hell? because she is dying in an act of mortal sin…There are people who die in a state of mortal sin…
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Is the she freely and with full consent of the will submitting to the abortion? Does she do so with full knowledge of the grave nature of the act?

– Mark L. Chance.
 
mlchance said:
Is the she freely and with full consent of the will submitting to the abortion? Does she do so with full knowledge of the grave nature of the act?

– Mark L. Chance.
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Yes, if it was a woman who simply wanted an abortion because she didn’t wanna deal with it, or viewed it would hinder her. Then she decides to have an abortion and dies during the procedure.

Since she is dying in an act of mortal sin, and has no time to do penance or contrition, wouldn’t this be almost a sure way to hell? God only knows whats on our mind, however this person is dying during an act of mortal sin with witnesses. Because of that, would that cement her fate?

It seems the only possible way is if she had perfect contrition right before she is dying. But what is its an instant death with no time for even contrition? less alone perfect contrition.
 
Intellectually you may be able to say that if you die during the willful commission of ANY mortal sin, you will head south.

But in reality, it’s not our place to think we KNOW what happens to anyone when they die. That’s not something for us to assume. God is the only One who can understand and decide what’s in a person’s heart. We MUST leave it up to Him.

Sorry for the capital letters, but this is a major big deal to me. For all WE KNOW, Hitler, Nero and Ghengis Khan could be playing canasta with Mother Teresa right now.
 
I don’t know, or better yet we don’t know the state of any body’s soul.

Of course abortion is evil. And the normal way of removing a mortal sin is confession. But we cannot know if the woman at the moment of death feels remorse.

St. Faustina says Jesus calls us all at the moment of death. I pray for this to be true.
 
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