Dying to the self

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I’m 25, been married for 2.5 yrs, have a 19-mo-old and I’m 19 weeks pregnant. I had depression related to the pregnancy but now I’m back to my normal pre-pregnant crazy. But I am having a major spiritual battle and I need prayer and a listening ear.

I am trying to come to terms with my own unimportance. Parents know that having children is a good way to get over yourself. I went from a single, career-minded woman to a married stay-at-home pregnant mother. Pride is my biggest struggle and I have the example of my mother who has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I am having the hardest time letting go of my need to feel in control of my life, to get my needs met, to feel important and significant. I know of famous prayers about becoming less important and letting others become more important. I really WANT to want this, but the truth is that I’m just waiting for someone to realize how important I am and start treating me like it. haha I don’t consciously think that, but I think that’s what my subconscious believes deep down.

Feeling a deep connection with my husband satisfies that need to feel like I matter. I don’t require everyone to think I’m important, I just want to be important to him. I used to have these fantasies that I would find someone who was so deeply interested in me, who accepted everything about me and loved me unconditionally, someone who wanted to spend all their time with me. Someone I loved just as deeply and who didn’t think I was clingy or needy for wanting that level of intimacy. Needless to say, marriage to an actual human being has been pretty disillusioning. I am usu left craving intimacy. It’s like eating a meal - I need to eat everything on my plate and get a 2nd helping to feel full, and he’s satisfied after a few bites. His needs are met MUCH sooner than mine with MUCH less, and he’s happily oblivious as to how empty I feel. I can tell him all day, I have talked with him about love languages. He “gets it,” but at the end of the day, he stops all effort once his needs are met. Everyone seems to understand this in a sexual context, but few can offer sympathy when it’s just emotional needs.

He works overnights from 8pm-8am. They don’t treat him well, but he chooses to go in early, stay late, and go in on his days off regularly. Before everyone starts telling me that he’s working to escape from me, think again! He was even more of a workaholic before we met. He’s always been this way - it’s just part of who he is. He actually quit his 2nd job when we got married. His working so much is NOT caused by me or my behavior. He gets tremendous satisfaction from working and he’s very happy with his job. Personally, working like that would drive me crazy, but I’m happy for him if he’s happy. My problem is feeling like I’m last on his priorities. I love that he’s happy w work and I want him to reach his career goals. But I want him to put as much of himself into “us” as he does into that.

We are on a cycle of incredible intimacy alternated with profound distance, w abrupt transitions. We’re very close for about 3 or 4 days, and then all during the following week we are like complete strangers. Then, with no catalyst, we’re back to intimate for a few days. I think I could set a timer by my husband. He sees this, too, but neither of us knows why. It’s not related to his work schedule.

A lot of thought and prayer tells me I need to accept God’s will in my life even when it’s not what I think is best. Becoming a submissive wife is something I’ve been working on for maybe a year now, because I failed pitifully at this in the beginning of our marriage. I ranged between clingy and controlling in my efforts to make my needs known and have them acknowledged and met. Looking to my husband to fulfill all my needs was tempting, but I learned to pray more, esp when my husband abandons me emotionally. I see how my marital relationship parallels my relationship w God, and how my refusal to accept my husband’s decisions usually correlates w a refusal to cooperate w God’s will for me. My husband is a grown man who has been told and shown repeatedly what I want and need, but he is still free to ignore that. I have desperately begged him and I’ve casually mentioned. My behavior/emotions have very little impact on him and he can drift right off to sleep even if I’m having a meltdown. Lately I’ve seen the futility of trying to get what I want and coming to the realization that I won’t get it. I mean, sometimes, sure. But not on a consistent, reliable basis that I can trust. He will be so intimate with me one day only to turn and betray that completely later. I have to learn to appreciate those intimate times as a free gift from my husband that he doesn’t “owe” me. Unlike him, it takes me a while to get back to intimacy after the distance. He barely notices the distance at all, and what he does notice doesn’t bother him.

I think I would have the same problem no matter what my vocation. I’ve always had this problem in my family, friend, and romantic relationships. I think of it as dying to myself. The first solution I see would be for my husband to get over his personality and love me enough to meet my need for intimacy. But if I can see that, I have to see that I could get over my personality and love him enough to meet his need for space and distance. It’s a hard blow to my pride and it’s a difficult surrender. Feels like I’m losing myself or giving up legitimate needs just to accommodate him. Sometimes I can be vulnerable, open up to be hurt again, and push aside the fear of not being loved. I’ve often wished I could turn off my emotions and stop caring so much. I’d like to be able to acknowledge that I have a need but I won’t die when it isn’t met. My goal - the sacrifice of authentic love. Dying to myself… just feels like suicide sometimes.
 
Praying this prayer has helped me a lot, esp conteplating why some of the things he included are there.

O Jesus! meek and humble of heart, Hear me.

From the desire of being esteemed…
Deliver me, Jesus.

From the desire of being loved…
From the desire of being extolled …
From the desire of being honored …
From the desire of being praised …
From the desire of being preferred to others…
From the desire of being consulted …
From the desire of being approved …

From the fear of being humiliated …
From the fear of being despised…
From the fear of suffering rebukes …
From the fear of being calumniated …
From the fear of being forgotten …
From the fear of being ridiculed …
From the fear of being wronged …
From the fear of being suspected …

That others may be loved more than I…
Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.

That others may be esteemed more than I …
That, in the opinion of the world,
others may increase and I may decrease …
That others may be chosen and I set aside …
That others may be praised and I unnoticed …
That others may be preferred to me in everything…
That others may become holier than I, provided that I may become as holy as I should…

Being a wife and mother are among the toughest things we can do, along with being a husband and father, priest, religious…
 
Advice is easy to give, but it is not always good to take it.
Maybe what I am about to say will help, but maybe not.

Your husband has work that satisfies him, and probably a good deal of his emotional need to be needed. You only have him, you don’t have work as he does.

My suggestion as part of the bigger picture, is to find some activity that will give you some fulfillment of being needed. This choice of activity can be different from person to person. Some bad ones have been another man, or the bottle, or a phobia, or …
But if you decide to do this, think about what would give you satisfaction, something worthwhile. It doesn’t have to be permanent, just a good thing.

I wish you the best and will pray for you.​

May God bless and keep you. May God’s face shine on you. May God be kind to you and give you peace.
 
Advice is easy to give, but it is not always good to take it.
Maybe what I am about to say will help, but maybe not.

Your husband has work that satisfies him, and probably a good deal of his emotional need to be needed. You only have him, you don’t have work as he does.

My suggestion as part of the bigger picture, is to find some activity that will give you some fulfillment of being needed. This choice of activity can be different from person to person. Some bad ones have been another man, or the bottle, or a phobia, or …
But if you decide to do this, think about what would give you satisfaction, something worthwhile. It doesn’t have to be permanent, just a good thing.

I wish you the best and will pray for you.​

May God bless and keep you. May God’s face shine on you. May God be kind to you and give you peace.
This!!!

My ex wife could very well have written what you wrote. I too worked a lot (long shifts) and did so because I liked it and to provide for my family. Escaping from my wife’s “HOOVERING” (like the vacuum) was a side bonus. It was wrong of me to escape her and put off our issues and things snowballed and we are now unfortunately divorced. I often thought that my wife needed an outlet and a hobby or job to let her be around adults contributing to something outside the home.

I find it interesting your mom had NPD. I would highly consider seeking professional help to rule in or out a personality disorder. My wife, who as I said, experienced exactly what you wrote has Borderline Personality Disorder tendencies. I would highly encourage exploring that area, you may not have a full blown personality disorder, but it obviously had a big affect on you and how you view relationships at the very least.

I say all this not to judge you in anyway and I know I don’t know your whole situation, but your story is eerily similar to my own life’s and I hope to spare you and your husband the pain my family has gone through if possible.

We avoided and denied problems and it killed us emotionally and spiritually.

My sincere prayers are with you and your family.
 
I know of a man who had wives who stopped all intimacy after marriage, even kissing and hugging.

You at least get fed sometimes. So, try to be grateful for what you do have. Who knows? Maybe God gave you this yo-yo to help you moderate your passions.
 
A very interesting OP. I especially like the part paralleling your relationship with your husband to your relationship is God. I have discovered this too. Except in my case it has occurred during my time of taking car of my wife who has Alzheimer’s dementia.
As I struggled with my own inability to communicate with her I realized how many times it seemed that I just could not understand what God was trying to communicate to me…likewise as I struggled to be patient with her…I realized how patient God had been with me (though I don’t know how He managed…😊).
These things are profound lessons.

Something that hasn’t been mentioned - but I think is important - is that you don’t seem to recognize your own importance in being the mother of your children. That simple word “mother” entails so much that we (as a society) seem to overlook. A mother (who is staying home) is the one forming the children in these years. She is everything to these children…teacher, mentor, doctor, example, authority, playmate, protector, corrector etc. You are dong the most important job in the world.

As to issues with your husband…intimacy etc. I’m afraid I don’t have much advice. Love him as best you can…try to communicate…see if he will schedule a bit of “us” time (tricky with kids)…try to grow together.

As another suggested…look for some activity that you find fulfilling. Volunteering is good.
Also - I know your children are very young - but you might start thinking about their schooling. Perhaps Homeschooling would give you the challenge and outlet you need.

Just some thoughts.

Peace
James
 
I was about to write a lengthy treatise on addiction and codependence, but I realized it is not necessary or even helpful. Intellectualization can bring clarity but rarely brings healing. God brings healing. Here is all you have to do in regard to each issue you raised.
  1. Thank and praise God each morning and throughout the day for your life and your husband just as he is. Do not try to think this through. Certainly God does not want people to be dysfunctional but He allows it in His infinite wisdom.
  2. Bear in mind at all times the promises of God, that He will turn all circumstance into a blessing if you are thankful and praiseful. This is in the Bible but I leave you to search for it if you want proof. It is abundant in Scripture, and searching Scripture would be helpful to you.
  3. Whenever you have a doubt or begin to worry, stop yourself and perhaps say “I’ve already thanked God for this. There is nothing to worry about.”, and begin to thank and praise God anew.
  4. If you ask for anything in prayer, ask only for faith. God already knows your situation.
  5. Patiently await the blessing of the Lord. Do not nag your husband about what you “need”, nor mope about because you feel you have unmet “needs”.

    This is not just something to do for this issue. It is a way toward a healthy and blessed spiritual life that should be applied to all aspects of life.
 
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