C
CentralFLJames
Guest
How do you have a clue that the apostles even wrote the NT?The apostles wrote the NT books, and the church has always had those books.
The writings of the apostles were divinely inspired and authoritative, prior to being canonized.
How do you know some inspired works are not missing when the NT scripture tells us some of the apostle Paul’s referenced works never made it into “the bible”.
Not all NT writings were written by the apostles. In fact we have to go outside of NT sources to get a partial list of authors of the NT books. The writers did not always identify themselves - some were anonymous. How do you have a clue that some clever enterprising Jew didn’t just take advantage of all the Christian hysteria to write bogus epistles for fun and profit?
2 Peter 1:20 "First of all, you must understand this, that no prophecy or scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation (cf 2 peter 3:15-16)
Nehemiah 8:8 “And they read from the book, from the law of God, clearly; and they (ed: priests) gave the sense, so that the people understood the reading” (cf Mark 4:33-34)
Acts 8:27-31 "…and there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure; and he had come to Jerusalem to worship, 28 and he was returning and sitting in his chariot, and was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.” 30 Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, “**Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. **
Luther: “A plowboy with a Bible knows more than the pope.”
Then keeping true to his own scrupulous mind sometime after the carnage of the Protestant Revolution & the Peasants War and general chaos Luther starts admitting he screwed up.
oops…
Here are a few post-revolutionary complaints from Luther:
Luther: "“Peasants and nobles know the Gospel better than St. Paul or D. M. Luther; they are wise and they think themselves better than all their clergy.” [Walch. XIV. 1360]
Luther: “As soon as our Gospel began . . . decency . . . and modesty were done away with, and everybody wished to be perfectly free to do whatever he liked.” [Walch. V. 114]
Luther: “We deserve that our Evangelicals (the followers of the new Gospel) should now be seven times worse than they were before. Because after having learnt the Gospel, we steal, tell lies, deceive, eat and drink (to excess), and practice all manner of vices.” [Walch. III. 2727]
Luther. “After one Devil (Popery) has been driven out of us, seven worse ones have come down upon us, as is the case with Princes, Lords, Nobles, Citizens and Peasants.” [Walch. III. 2727]
Luther: “I think it must needs be the case, that those who follow the Gospel . . . should be worse after (receiving) the Gospel than they had been before, not on account of the Gospel, but on account of the people who so abuse the Gospel.” [Walch. XIII. 2193]
Luther: “The more and the longer we preach, the worse matters grow.” [Walch. XII. 2120]
Luther: “People are now possessed with seven Devils, whereas formerly they were possessed with one Devil; the Devil now enters into the people in crowds, so that men are now more avaricious, unmerciful, impure, insolent . . . than formerly under the Pope.” [Walch. XIII. 19]
Luther: “After the dominion and power of the Pope has ceased . . . the people, while despising the true doctrine, are now changed into mere irrational animals and beasts;
[p. 55]
the number of holy and pious teachers becomes constantly less.” [Walch. I. 615]
. . .]
. . . about seven months before his death, Luther wrote to his wife, “Away from this Sodom (Wittenberg) . . . I will wander about, and sooner beg my bread than allow my poor old last days to be martyred and upset with the disorder of Wittenberg.” [July 1545. de Wette. V. 753]
Luther: . . . “See how foolishly the people everywhere behave towards the Gospel, so that I scarcely know whether I ought to continue preaching or not.” [Walch. XI, 3052]
Luther . . . “If God had not closed my eyes, and if I had foreseen these scandals, I would never have begun to teach the Gospel.” [Walch. VI. 920]
In 1538, . . . Luther dwells on the same thought: “Who would have begun to preach, if we had known beforehand that so much unhappiness, tumult, scandal, blasphemy, ingratitude, and wickedness would have been the result?” [Walch. VIII. 564]
Luther:. . . . “I confess, that I am much more negligent, than I was under the Pope, and there is now nowhere such an amount of earnestness under the Gospel, as was formerly seen among Monks and Priests.” [Walch. IX. 1311]
Note: The Walch edition is referred to in the “Moral Results” of Luther’s teaching. This edition was published by Gebauer, Halle, in 24 volumes, between 1740 and 1753. The work was carried on under the supervision of Professor D. Johann Georg Walch, of Jena.
John Calvin even admitted that tradition was important:
“I do not deny that there are certain traditions of the Apostles that were not committed to writing, but I do not admit that they were parts of doctrine or related to things necessary for salvation.”
Gosh John, why should we believe you brother? Where does it say that in scripture or should we just take your opinion as a new sacred inspired tradition?
1 Cor 11:2: “I command you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you”.
1 Thess 2:13 “and we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is a work in you believers.”
James