Early Vatican Responses to Evolutionist Theology

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Orogeny:
If this has been taught infallibly, how have later Popes been able to comment in a way contrary to that position?
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Tim

Hey Tim, The aggresive post was #6 by PhilVas to abcdefg, sad.
As for your quote, I see this as Popes being able to comment on subjects which are not neccesarily to be held as dogma by the faithful. I think the last ex-cathedra statement was on the non-ordination of women by John Paul the Great. Praying you had a blessed Christmass and a safe new year
 
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Orogeny:
Sorry, but Sacred Tradition is from Jesus or the Holy Spirit, not Moses. From the Catechism:

Your position means that the recent popes who have allowed for the acceptance of evolution are in opposition to Sacred Tradition. I say that you are wrong.

Additionally, your interpretation is based on a literal reading of Genesis. However, that viewpoint excludes many of the Chruch fathers: catholic.com/library/Creation_and_Genesis.asp

Please note the certifications at the bottom of the page. If you disagree with that, you are disagreeing with the Church.

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Tim
Just show me the words which said human came from apes.
 
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Orogeny:
If this has been taught infallibly, how have later Popes been able to comment in a way contrary to that position?
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Tim

Recent popes simply don’t teach on the subject.
 
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abcdefg:
It doesn’t allow either
From the Catechism:
283 The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man.
That is an acknowledgement and acceptance of the science. The emphasis was added by me to point out the language used in this sentence. It does not say the appearance of age, *proposed *dimensions of the cosmos or theoretical development of life forms and the appearance of man. The sentence is written as an affirmation of the science.

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abcdefg:
Recent popes simply don’t teach on the subject.
You have been given numerous citations that directly contradict your statement.

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Tim
 
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abcdefg:
Just show me the words which said human came from apes.
Is that all you got out of that? How about responding to the substance of the post and of the link I provided.

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CreosMary:
As for your quote, I see this as Popes being able to comment on subjects which are not neccesarily to be held as dogma by the faithful. I think the last ex-cathedra statement was on the non-ordination of women by John Paul the Great. Praying you had a blessed Christmass and a safe new year
Sorry, Creos, I misread your post. I thought you were claiming that only the literal reading of Genesis could be taught had been declared infallibly. My mistake.:o

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Orogeny:
From the Catechism:
That is an acknowledgement and acceptance of the science. The emphasis was added by me to point out the language used in this sentence. It does not say the appearance of age, *proposed *dimensions of the cosmos or theoretical development of life forms and the appearance of man. The sentence is written as an affirmation of the science.

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Tim
Where does it say evolution “theory”? where does it say one can accept E"T" without damaging faith?
 
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Orogeny:
You have been given numerous citations that directly contradict your statement.

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Tim
Are you accusing of all past popes are heretics?
 
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Orogeny:
Is that all you got out of that? How about responding to the substance of the post and of the link I provided.

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Tim
sort it out for me. none of them said human come from apes.
 
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Orogeny:
Sorry, Creos, I misread your post. I thought you were claiming that only the literal reading of Genesis could be taught had been declared infallibly. My mistake.:o

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Tim
Sorry Tim, but Pope Leo XIII’s statement was ex-cathedra and the only dogmatic one on this subject
God Bless
 
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abcdefg:
Where does it say evolution “theory”? where does it say one can accept E"T" without damaging faith?
That is the beauty of that post. It deals with the FACT of evolution and cosmology. No theory mentioned in that statement.

As far as accepting evolution without damaging faith goes, the Catechism states the science as a fact. How can a fact damage faith? Is faith contrary to fact? It isn’t to me nor to the Church.

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abcdefg:
sort it out for me. none of them said human come from apes.
Tradition. That was what the post was about, remember? Also, the link I provided related to taking Genesis literally. You haven’t responded to either.

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Tim
 
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Orogeny:
That is the beauty of that post. It deals with the FACT of evolution and cosmology. No theory mentioned in that statement.

As far as accepting evolution without damaging faith goes, the Catechism states the science as a fact. How can a fact damage faith? Is faith contrary to fact? It isn’t to me nor to the Church.

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Tim
Even science doesn’t accept E"T" as a fact. by what authority you say Church accepts it as fact?
 
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CreosMary:
Sorry Tim, but Pope Leo XIII’s statement was ex-cathedra and the only dogmatic one on this subject
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Then how can current Popes teach differently? Clearly, the Catechism differs on that.

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Tim
 
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CreosMary:
Hey Tim, The aggresive post was #6 by PhilVas to abcdefg, sad.
As for your quote, I see this as Popes being able to comment on subjects which are not neccesarily to be held as dogma by the faithful. I think the last ex-cathedra statement was on the non-ordination of women by John Paul the Great. Praying you had a blessed Christmass and a safe new year
I mistakenly thought that John Paul the Great, of happy memory, HAD made the non-ordination of women ex-cathedra. He didn’t. This was explained by the then head of the CDF, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who, as we know, got a promotion recently. He said it was a part of the “ordinary magisterium,” that it was what the Church had always taught. Also, the CCC, quoted above, IS also authoritative (the pope cannot propose something for the whole of the Church and call it a “sure and certain” norm for the teaching of the faith and then have it turn out to be in error). We are not held to a literal interpretation of Genesis, except I think insofar as we must believe that we came from one man and one woman. Someone else can help me if I’m mistaken. I don’t normally worry about this, as I believe that God created us and how He went about it is miles above my head.
 
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abcdefg:
Even science doesn’t accept E"T" as a fact. by what authority you say Church accepts it as fact?
I don’t say that the Church accepts the theory of evolution as a fact. I said that the Church accepts the FACT of evolution as a fact.

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Tim
 
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Orogeny:
Are you accusing recent popes of being heretics?

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Tim
No recent popes teach nothing. their words are ambiguous. however past popes’ words are clear: Humans are directly created by God.

If a future pope were to teach Catholics must accept evolution, it would be better to consider him a heretic than all post popes.
 
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