Earth created in 6 days then humans? Dinosaurs?

[ProVobis]

{1:1} In principio creavit Deus cælum, et terram.
{1:1} In the beginning, God created heaven and earth.

~ Heaven was created first, then earth. The creation of angels also occurred with the creation of heaven. The creation of earth is really the creation of the universe, and subsequently earth.

{1:2} Terra autem erat inanis et vacua, et tenebræ erant super faciem abyssi: et Spiritus Dei ferebatur super aquas.
{1:2} But the earth was empty and unoccupied, and darknesses were over the face of the abyss; and so the Spirit of God was brought over the waters.

~ After earth was created, it was empty and unoccupied. Darkness is plural in the Latin. This could symbolize fallen angels, with the abyss symbolizing Hell. The word ‘darknesses’ can also refer to the absences of so many good things, so that God had to continue creating. The Spirit of God was brought or was carried over the waters, passive tense.

{1:3} Dixitque Deus: Fiat lux. Et facta est lux.
{1:3} And God said, “Let there be light.” And light became.

~ God created light. Darkness, as the absence of light, became by default. Similarly with evil. God created the heavens and the angels, but some angels fell and so Hell (the abyss) was created.

{1:4} Et vidit Deus lucem quod esset bona: et divisit lucem a tenebris.
{1:4} And God saw the light, that it was good; and so he divided the light from the darknesses.

~ God divided light from darkness. He also divided Heaven from Hell, once Hell was created (or became necessary due to the angels that fell from grace). Notice that God chooses to create Heaven and Earth (Universe), but Hell comes about as a result of sin. God creates Good, but Evil comes about because of sin. God does not directly create evil or darkness.

{1:5} Appellavitque lucem Diem, et tenebras Noctem: factumque est vespere et mane, dies unus.
{1:5} And he called the light, ‘Day,’ and the darknesses, ‘Night.’ And it became evening and morning, one day.

~ The first day is not a day as we count time, but merely the first period of time, of unspecified length, in the universe. Science agrees that first the Universe was created, and there was no life in the first time period, for the Universe was void and unoccupied. And when the earth first became, it was void and lifeless.

sacredbible.org/studybible/OT-01_Genesis.htm

My comment: In the “beginning,” there was no earth. Therefore no day or night, nor day. So there was no starting point as far as day 0 goes, only day 1. The time between the big bang, if any, and day 1 could have been anything without contradicting Genesis. The time after that is the big question, as I see it.

 

[buffalo]

Soft tissue from dinosaurs have been found.

Now that means soft tissue can survive for 60 million years. Or, they are not as old as we think.

 

[spn82756]

Mal: I too believe in the literal 6 days. The Church has taught this for Centuries. Original Sin is Dogma . And in addition - because not one of the naysayers has proven to me that GOD could not do it. I believe that GOD is omnipotent. Maybe others do not or have not come to that point of belief. But as we have seen from Scripture and the Teachings of Holy Mother the Church - Scripture is Spiritually Examined. Only the Church can dicern its interpretation. The Church has. I believe there is a reason that Jesus fasted in the desert for 40 days as example to us. And we cannot have clarity for the Spiritual unles we develope our own Spirit. I refuse to believe my ancestors were apes or that everything came into existance from random chance. I believe in GOD and in Holy Mother the Church. And I believe that too many people try to read Scripture as if it were literature composed by man instead of the Word of GOD. So although Adam and Eve may appear to be foolishness in the eyes of the flesh and human reason or sensual interpretation solely - does it remain so when spiritually examined. Did GOD create the world in such a manner so as to confuse the proud? To make it implausible to the prideful? Was that his plan all along? I think we have to examine the entire Scriptures and the Proper Exegesis by Holy Mother the Church and even then how could any of us possibly form a private opinion to the contrary of what the Church has already taught. I think the denial of Adam and Eve is the result of that sensual interpretation spoken of by St Paul.

Faith in GOD. Its the Catholic Faith after all. Not every answer in the Natural World is going to be spelled out. GOD has given us that which is healthy to know for our own good. Should we then attempt to use reason in a faulty manner to the point of a loss of Faith or should we pray that our eyes be opened to the truths that matter for our salvation. The purpose of Scripture and the Mission of the Church is the Salvation of Souls. It isnt a novel and it isnt a history book. It is the Word of GOD unto Salvation in and through the Church.

Pax

The Church does not deny the theory of E. Science is not incompatible with Scripture. They have two different purposes. The Church…salvation. Science…the discovery of that which Scripture talks about.

 

[WhiteDove359]

i have the theorty on creation…ever herd of “the chicken or the egg?” . what we have is something called a paradox.

 

[Barry44]

I see I am in the minority here, but I believe the literal 6 days. I don’t put too much stock in the “dating” process. Many young things date older than they should and old things date younger. I will find the specific examples and post them. Off the top of my head, trees in call date off of what science proves them to be age wise. Also, the dust on the moon should be greater if the moon existed long.
Lastly, immediately after the creation of man…to look at him, Adam would have looked maybe 30. But literally he would have only been moments old. My point is that there is reason to believe that it was 6 days and things aren’t as the appear. Before anyone jumps down my throat, I am not saying that one must believe it was 6 days( I don’t know if the Church says we must or not) but I know that I am allowed to accept as such.

Yes, you are free to beleive what ever you want and stll be a great Roman Catholic. My opinion is that the Bible Story is mostly leading mankind to the salvation of Jesus Christ, The Holy Bible is to me a book of insprition not of history or sceince. Yes god could have made the wod just as you say in sex days and rested on the seventh. I personally think he used the free-will of nature to elolve these things under His guidance, but , what do I know.

 

[Barry44]

I do not believe this at all! Life did not come from the sea! Humans and Animals do not evolve! If the earth was closer or further away from the Sun we would freeze or burn! The Moon controls the tides. I can not believe this all happened by accident or a “Big Bang”!

Why is our moon the only Moon in our Solar System not to Rotate? We see the same side all the time? It happened before??? When??? This sounds like what a Atheist would say?

I beleived under God;s guidance, life evolved on earth. I beleive that mankind, the human being was a special creation of God, I used the ‘‘transfiguration’’ example of creation from another animal instead of a piece of dirt, perhaps 50,000 years ago. Moses wrote these stories told to him about 10,000 years ago.What is truly remarkable is the accuracy of the story.
The way it was explained to me a large comet hit our planet and placed it into the orbit it has mostly now, the hit tore 1/3 of earth away, scattering bits and peices of earth into the air, due to gravativity, these pieces were pulled together and formed the moon, and it all took place in the period of one month. the moon and the earth are actually twin planets which rotate around each other, that is why we only see one side of the moon from earth.
Non of this has anything to do with the Catholic Church It really doesn’t matter what happened or how it happened. The bible story tells us of God’s love for us and how He brought all of these things to us.

 

[Barry44]

I do not believe this at all! Life did not come from the sea! Humans and Animals do not evolve! If the earth was closer or further away from the Sun we would freeze or burn! The Moon controls the tides. I can not believe this all happened by accident or a “Big Bang”!

Why is our moon the only Moon in our Solar System not to Rotate? We see the same side all the time? It happened before??? When??? This sounds like what a Atheist would say?

You can be a practicing Roma Catholic and believe in the ‘‘big bang’’
I always thought that all life came from the sea, under God guidance.
The Human being God created from dirt or a ‘‘transfirgered’’ animal recieved an immortal soul
Animals have a mortal soul, everything we see and touch have the presence of God in them too.
The earth is exactually in the best position for human life. We have searched the known universe and have found very few planets that may support life. Our bllue planet is unique, we are alone, its just us, we must take good care of God’s planet.
The moon rotates as it rotates around the earth and around the sun., this is all of Gods plan for us, The moon controls our tides and winds and helps keep us in orbit around the sun. This is all part of the ‘‘big bang’’

 

[Barry44]

i have the theorty on creation…ever herd of “the chicken or the egg?” . what we have is something called a paradox.

A pair of ducks? male or female? Well, I believe that God used His angels to help Him create animals and insects and bugs and things. The chicken could have been created first and then laid the egg or the angel could have fashioned the egg to hatch to form the first chicken. but we would have to have two, a chicken and a roster,but should have a bunch of chickens for the roster, but back to the egg.
You really need a chicken to lay on the egg to have it hatch, soo, you must have a chicken first. My guess, is that the creating angel helper of God made a bunch of chickens, and one roster, lucky cock, and let nature do the rest.
Wouldnnn’t it be funny if God created a whole tribe of Humans at the same time and not just one man and one rib for the lady. ahahahhha

 

[Barry44]

Soft tissue from dinosaurs have been found.

Now that means soft tissue can survive for 60 million years. Or, they are not as old as we think.

I would like to see that sample. Soft tissue cannnnnn't survive for one hundred years.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Barry44]

Yes, you are free to believe what ever you want and still be a great Roman Catholic. My opinion is that the Bible Story is mostly leading mankind to the salvation of Jesus Christ, The Holy Bible is to me a book of inspiration not of history or science. Yes God could have made the world just as you say in six days and rested on the seventh. I personally think he used the free-will of nature to evolve these things under His guidance, but , what do I know.

 

[mariyka]

I would like to  see that sample.  Soft tissue cannnnnn't survive for one hundred years.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I was confused about that statement, too. From the article I found, it’s really fossilized soft tissue. The dinosaur first became mummified, then fossilized.

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2007/12/03/ST2007120300591.html

 

[buffalo]

I was confused about that statement, too. From the article I found, it’s really fossilized soft tissue. The dinosaur first became mummified, then fossilized.

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2007/12/03/ST2007120300591.html

 [Soft tissue from a dino fossil    ](http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/43381/description/Soft_tissue_from_a_dino_fossil)
[Hadrosaur remains include fragments of several proteins, tests suggest ](http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/43381/description/Soft_tissue_from_a_dino_fossil)

 

[mariyka]

Soft tissue from a dino fossil
Hadrosaur remains include fragments of several proteins, tests suggest

Close reading reveals:
“Researchers recovered 80-million-year-old dinosaur soft tissue that resembles collagen and contains what appears to be an osteocyte (arrow) by demineralizing the fossilized leg bone of a hadrosaur.”

Still quite impressive, though.

 

[buffalo]

Close reading reveals:
“Researchers recovered 80-million-year-old dinosaur soft tissue that resembles collagen and contains what appears to be an osteocyte (arrow) by demineralizing the fossilized leg bone of a hadrosaur.”

Still quite impressive, though.

Now we can move on to this:

Ancient muscle tissue extracted from 18 million year old fossil

So of course the position has to be - soft tissue can survive for long periods. It is as simple as that. Or is it?

 

[edwest2]

From what I understand, the Church does NOT teach the literal reading of the creation story. The church does NOT ask us to believe in a literal “one week, 7 calendar” creation.

Leave science to investigate science. Science tells us something very important, religion does as well.

The Church allows Catholics to believe the world was created in thousands of years or whatever. Are you saying the Church has missed a detail by allowing this?

What’s the big deal about science? God did certain miraculous things as recorded in the Bible. Science can’t study miracles.

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

Remember what is time in God’s eye? Does God have the same second, minutes, hours,Months Years, standard as we do? A second in our time could be a 1,000 years in God’s eye!

That comment is speculative and not based on Church teaching.

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

The Catholic Church invented the scientific method- a Catholic priest invented the big bang theory. The Church encourages science to reveal the secrets of God’s universe and His work of Creation.

The book of Genesis tells us why God created us, it is not intended to tell us how.

Do you believe Eve was formed from Adam’s side?

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

Mal: I too believe in the literal 6 days. The Church has taught this for Centuries. Original Sin is Dogma . And in addition - because not one of the naysayers has proven to me that GOD could not do it. I believe that GOD is omnipotent. Maybe others do not or have not come to that point of belief. But as we have seen from Scripture and the Teachings of Holy Mother the Church - Scripture is Spiritually Examined. Only the Church can dicern its interpretation. The Church has. I believe there is a reason that Jesus fasted in the desert for 40 days as example to us. And we cannot have clarity for the Spiritual unles we develope our own Spirit. I refuse to believe my ancestors were apes or that everything came into existance from random chance. I believe in GOD and in Holy Mother the Church. And I believe that too many people try to read Scripture as if it were literature composed by man instead of the Word of GOD. So although Adam and Eve may appear to be foolishness in the eyes of the flesh and human reason or sensual interpretation solely - does it remain so when spiritually examined. Did GOD create the world in such a manner so as to confuse the proud? To make it implausible to the prideful? Was that his plan all along? I think we have to examine the entire Scriptures and the Proper Exegesis by Holy Mother the Church and even then how could any of us possibly form a private opinion to the contrary of what the Church has already taught. I think the denial of Adam and Eve is the result of that sensual interpretation spoken of by St Paul.

Faith in GOD. Its the Catholic Faith after all. Not every answer in the Natural World is going to be spelled out. GOD has given us that which is healthy to know for our own good. Should we then attempt to use reason in a faulty manner to the point of a loss of Faith or should we pray that our eyes be opened to the truths that matter for our salvation. The purpose of Scripture and the Mission of the Church is the Salvation of Souls. It isnt a novel and it isnt a history book. It is the Word of GOD unto Salvation in and through the Church.

Pax

It isn’t a history book? The Israelites in Egypt? Did that actually happen?

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

The Church does not deny the theory of E. Science is not incompatible with Scripture. They have two different purposes. The Church…salvation. Science…the discovery of that which Scripture talks about.

Two different purposes? Why? To what end does Science work that is of a different purpose? The Church has a Pontifical Academy of Sciences so that she can examine science and properly instruct the faithful.

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

Yes, you are free to beleive what ever you want and stll be a great Roman Catholic. My opinion is that the Bible Story is mostly leading mankind to the salvation of Jesus Christ, The Holy Bible is to me a book of insprition not of history or sceince. Yes god could have made the wod just as you say in sex days and rested on the seventh. I personally think he used the free-will of nature to elolve these things under His guidance, but , what do I know.

Nature has no ‘free will.’ It has no intelligence at all.

Peace,
Ed