Earth crowded now? Wait 'til 2050

[Tlaloc]

Maranatha:

When science articles start out by claiming that something is definitively settled I question their political (religious) motivations. There is good science to refute those claims.

techcentralstation.com/081204D.html

The “good” science you speak of uniformly comes from corporate hacks who will publish anything they get paid to. These are the same people who time and again came out saying there was no good evidence that tobacco was either addictive or caused cancer. They were liars then and now.

Try this book for a good view into the corporate propaganda machine of manufactured science:
amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1585421391/qid=1109371242/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-3009552-5379144?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

their earlier work here
amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1567510604/104-3009552-5379144
is also quite good.

The credible scientists involved agree the issue of whether it happens is settled, the issue of whether man plays a role is settled. Some debate is warranted on how large a role that is. That’s it.

 

[Tyler_Smedley]

Why does it matter there are plenty of resources to go around, maybe some of us Americans will have to consume less so others around us can have more, well I don’t have a car at all so I am not contributing to Global warming. Maybe Taloc your company should produce less waste.

 

[Tlaloc]

Tyler Smedley:

Why does it matter there are plenty of resources to go around,

Which resource is that? Land? no. Fossil fuels? no. Clean air? no. Clean water? no.

maybe some of us Americans will have to consume less so others around us can have more, well I don’t have a car at all so I am not contributing to Global warming.

Congratulations on being carfree but that doesn’t mean you don’t contribute to global warming. Every erg of power you use created pollution. Every item in your home has an energy overhead to create. Producing that energy created pollution. A significant amount of that pollution will end up in the carbon cycle.

Maybe Taloc your company should produce less waste.

The irony is my company is actually very good about waste. They’ve won no small number of environmental awards for being far better than most semicocductor companies are. But still thats only better by comparison. We still measure water usage in millions of gallons of water per day.

 

[Tyler_Smedley]

there is no shortage of land, where are you getting your information? Prove to me that there isn’t enough land to go around.

 

[Tlaloc]

Tyler Smedley:

there is no shortage of land, where are you getting your information? Prove to me that there isn’t enough land to go around.

take a look at carrying capacity and ecological footprint:
dieoff.org/page110.htm

Now realize that as we are now, or shortly will be, on the bad side of peak oil production (and peak natural gas isn’t far behind) that our current measures will shortly collapse. Land that can produce enough food for a person using petroleum based fertilizers, and worked with petroleum fueled machines is not going to produce nearly enough without those. To say nothing to the transport costs of moving the food to consumers (also heavily subsidized by the petroleum energy economy).

 

[DeniseR]

Tlaloc:

No they do have ample evidence on their side. Notice how the global warming that has been warned about by the environementalists since the 80s at least is now so large that everyone is admitting it exists and is man made? The people who scoffed are finally having to admit they’ve been wrong for decades and let a problem spiral out of control because they didn’t want to believe the data.

The global warming debate of the past 20 years makes me chuckle. I don’t know if you were around or old enough in the 1970’s but it was widely predicted then that we would have global freezing because we had a decade of cooler than normal temperatures. The predictions were that the northern US states would be under glaciers again and people would move south to survive and there wouldn’t be enough food for the world to live on because the cooling climate would make farming obsolete in the northern states…

Some people can’t see the forest for the trees. Our time on earth is so short compared to the history and constantly changing climates. Chicken Little lives on!.

 

[coralewis]

DeniseR, thank you for giving me a laugh and putting this thread into perspective. May I remind everyone that God takes care of population control with things like tsunamis, tornadoes, atomic bombs (that one’s questionable, I know), floods (think Noah’s Ark), and plagues? God isn’t punishing us when those things happen…it’s simply time for a lot of us humans to join Him when those things happen.

 

[sarcophagus]

There is definatley enough land to go around…only about 1/4 of Canada is populated…there’s tons of room. The only problem is that if anyone was to move there, they’d have to give up the matierlism of today’s society and live off the land. Sure, they won’t get satelite TV, or electricity per say, they won’t have instant access to anything and everything, but isn’t that better anyway?

 

[Tyler_Smedley]

Then when we run out of food people will consume less, enviornmentalists always predict the worst case senariaos, when people don’t have enough food to feed themselves like they use to they will eat less food and be more frugal. Have some faith in you brother humans, we aren’t that stupid.