Earth on back of a bull

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Hi can any one quote for me a hadith that reads along the lines of

the earth is on the back of a bull

I don’t belive / understand a lot of hadiths but if this is a hadith i can see how it could be seen as true.
 
Just like the Coran, every word in the Hadith is a lie, including “a”, “an”, and “the.”

**God bless the Crusaders!

I confess there is NO GOD but Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God Incarnate risen from the dead.**
 
It reminds me of a story.
A woman signs up for an astronomy class. The teacher says the earth orbits the sun. She says, “Young man, you’re mistaken. then earth rests on the back of a turtle.”
He says, “What does that turtle rest on?”
“Another turtle.”
“And what does that turtle rest on?”
She shakes her head, smiling tolerantly, and says, “It’s no use, young man. It’s turtles all the way down.”
 
bpbasilphx said:
Just like the Coran, every word in the Hadith is a lie, including “a”, “an”, and “the.”

**God bless the Crusaders!

I confess there is NO GOD but Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God Incarnate risen from the dead.**
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That was random. His post had nothing to do with the Crusades.
 
I don’t read the hadiths, but a bull is in the book and movie The Lion the witch and the Wardrobe book by C.S. Lewis.
The bull has a head and tail of a bull and the rest a very powerful strong male body. It is called Minotaur. It is in the command and general of the white witch’s army. In the sequel Prince Caspian, which I haven’t seen yet but that is what the trailer says, the bull joins the allies.
It is mythology, not sure why it is used in the movie.
The bull is also portrayed in Gustave Dore’ 's woodcarvings and many more things if you wiki it.
 
strngrnrth said:
It reminds me of a story.
A woman signs up for an astronomy class. The teacher says the earth orbits the sun. She says, “Young man, you’re mistaken. then earth rests on the back of a turtle.”
He says, “What does that turtle rest on?”
“Another turtle.”
“And what does that turtle rest on?”
She shakes her head, smiling tolerantly, and says, “It’s no use, young man. It’s turtles all the way down.”
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:rotfl: :rotfl:
That is funny, Ill remember that one, so all the constellations are turtles , OOOOps I’m not in the pun thread but I could think of a couple long neck puns.😛
 
Steven_John said:
Hi can any one quote for me a hadith that reads along the lines of

the earth is on the back of a bull

I don’t belive / understand a lot of hadiths but if this is a hadith i can see how it could be seen as true.
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maybe this helps: it is the explanation of Ibn Kathir about Quran 68:1

It was said that “Nun” refers to a great whale that rides on the currents of the waters of the great ocean and on its back it carries the seven earths , as was stated by Imam Abu Jafar Ibn Jarir. Narrated by Ibn Bashar, narrated by Yahya, narrated by Sufyan Al-Thuri, narrated by Sulayman Al-Amash, narrated by Abu Thubian, narrated by Ibn Abbas who related, "The first thing that Allah created was the pen and He said to it ‘Write’. The pen asked, ‘What shall I write?’ Allah said, ‘Write (the) fate (of everything).’ So the pen wrote everything that shall be from that moment until judgment day.

Then Allah created the “Nun” and He caused steam to rise out of which the heavens were created and the earth was then laid flat on the nun’s back. Then the Nun became nervous and (as a result) the earth began to sway, but (Allah) fastened (the earth) with mountains lest the earth should move …

It was narrated by Ibn Jarir, narrated by Ibn Hamid, narrated by Ata’a, narrated by Abu Al-Dahee, narrated by Ibn Abbas who stated, "The first thing my Lord created, may He be Exalted and Glorified, was the pen and He said to it, ‘Write.’ So the pen wrote all that will be until judgment day. Then Allah created the Nun (the whale) above the waters and he pressed the earth into its back.

Al Tabarani narrated the same hadith above (from the prophet Muhammad) who narrated from Abu Habib Zaid Al-Mahdi Al Marouzi, narrated by Sa’id Ibn Yaqub Al-Talqani, narrated by Mu’amal Ibn Ismail, narrated by Hamad Ibn Zaid, narrated by Ata’a Ibn Al Sa’ib, narrated by Abu Al Dahee Muslim Ibn Subaih, narrated by Ibn Abbas who stated that the prophet – may peace and blessing be upon him and his family - said, “The first things Allah created were the pen and the whale and He said to the pen ‘Write.’ The pen asked, ‘What shall I write?’ Allah replied, ‘Everything that shall be until judgment day.’ Then He said ‘Nun. By the Pen and by what they write.’ So Nun is the whale and al-Qalam is the pen” …

Ibn Abu Nujaih stated that Ibrahim Ibn Abu Bakir was informed by Mujahid who said, “It was said that Nun is the great whale who is underneath the seven earths.” Furthermore, Al-Baghawy – may Allah rest his soul - and a group of commentators stated that on the back of this whale there is a great rock whose thickness is greater than the width of the heavens and the earth and above this rock is **a bull that has fourty thousand horns **. On the body of this bull are placed the seven earths and all that they contain, and Allah knows best
 
May The Almighty God Above All

Bring right judgment upon us for the genuine help you have given me in answering my question i pray we see it soon.

I am un subscribing from this thread and will start a new.
 
I just want to say, in case anyone read what inJESUS copied and pasted there and was utterly confused…

“Nun” is not a word in that verse. Let me repeat, there is no word called “nun” or “noon” in that verse. It is a letter. The letter “n” (or rather, the equivalent to it in the Arabic language.) But just like in English we name the letter “n” by saying “in,” Arabs name the letter “n” by saying “noon.” And the letter “n” does not mean the word “in,” and the letter “n” in Arabic doesn’t mean “noon” or “whale” or anything else like that.

This is a feature of the Qur’an–the miracle letters. Nobody knows what they mean. Let me repeat: nobody knows what they mean. The Qur’an starts with them: Alif (A) Laam (L) Meem (M). If you pick up a Qur’an in Arabic that’s what you see: the equivalent of A.L.M. Now, if you start to make something up to fit those letters, you’re going to be wrong.

There are many chapters in the Qur’an which start this way–with the miracle letters. The letters are simply pronounced, and elongated, while their meaning is a mystery known only to the Lord of the Worlds who revealed them.
 
LDNCatholic said:
Amy, no offence intended, but what is miraculous about them? Hidden meanings don’t immediately spell out miracle to my mind.
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hidden meanings to them because they do not know the origin of it. You will find that ancient patriarches used these same letters Alif Lam Mim in the begining of their writings to denote Amara Li Moryo = God told me.

I will not give the reference to what i wrote since it is a book in Arabic.

Muslims, unaware of it, attribute to it some miracle.
 
That might work if A.L.M. were the only letters which appear, but they are not. There is Alif Laam Raa, Saad, Qaf, and combinations of letters. Noon at the beginning of surah 68 is the same thing.
 
Sister_Amy said:
That might work if A.L.M. were the only letters which appear, but they are not. There is Alif Laam Raa, Saad, Qaf, and combinations of letters. Noon at the beginning of surah 68 is the same thing.
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being the only letters or not is a non-issue…it was the use of such letters to mean something that was used before Muhammad, and which you attribute to it some kind of a miracle where there is none…you might not understand what Muhammad meant by all these letters, but the technique was used before Muhammad and has nothing to do with miracles .
 
LDNCatholic said:
Amy, no offence intended, but what is miraculous about them? Hidden meanings don’t immediately spell out miracle to my mind.
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I wouldn’t worry about it if I were you. The point is that they are letters, the meanings of which nobody knows. We (Muslims) sometimes call them miracle letters (I’m not sure what the more appropriate term is) but I’m not in a position to explain them or prove anything to. Suffice to say, they’re just letters at the beginning of some chapters and nobody knows what they mean.

inJESUS–I’m going to reply to you in the same post if you don’t mind.

First of all, your little theory doesn’t really hold up. You have attempted to explain 3 letters in 1 chapter when there are in fact many letters beginning many chapters. Once again you just seem to be, in my opinion, showing off your own idea about Muhammad that he must be really encyclopedic in his knowledge. The Muslims have no explanation for these letters–not since the time of Muhammad (saaws.) I would advise you not to accept every theory you can get your hands on about this man. To say that “ancient patriarchs” used this phrase, which is clearly another langauge than Arabic… and to expect that Muhammad (saaws) knew first what “ancient patriarchs” were doing without divine inspiration, and to understand another language, and sneak it into the Qur’an?

It’s pretty amazing. It must be difficult for you to not be a Muslim… you have to contrive some astounding theories. I pray that Allah guides you to the truth. But you have to want truth…

Peace.
 
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