Easter is ishtar

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Gottle of Geer:

**All that is one paragraph in the original. For a book written in the 1850s, as this book was, it is an understandable mistake - but it is still a mistake, however understandable. If the name of the goddess Ishtar is the origin of the word Easter, one has to explain why the feast is called Easter only in English. The author does not explain how the name of the Assyrian-Babylonian goddess found its way into Old English. It’s not absolutely impossible, at least in principle - but it cannot be asserted as a fact without further ado; & there is no reason to believe it underlies either the word Easter, or the Church feast. **

Besides, having the name of a thing is not a proof of having the nature of that thing - “cat-gut” is nothing to do with cats, despite the name. A “bull market”, despite its name, has no connection with bulls.

Not to mention, any philologist would laugh out of his office anyone who thought the Indo-European “Eostre” could be derived from the unrelated Semitic name “Ashtoreth/Ashtarte.” As linguistic scholarship, that’s roughly on par with saying that a girl named Kellie is an avatar of the Hindu Kali.

It is only fair to point out that:​

• The bad etymology is largely explicable by the state of linguistic scholarship in the languages of Mesopotamia, which was then in its early infancy.
• to make things worse, the author misidentified the language: he thought it was some kind of Aramaic.
• **To make things even worse, some of his sources were even then out of date. **
• he **was not alone in his fantastic etymologies **
• some authors had even wilder ideas
• **the identification of the language he calls “Chaldee” - meaning by this, Aramaic in a broader sense than usual - was debated for several years. **

**There were two main languages in ancient Iraq before Aramaic appeared, not one - Sumerian & Akkadian. As both were written in cuneiform, they can be confused; and they were, until it became clear that one script was used for both languages; until that happened, some years after this author’s death, it was almost universally taken for granted that there was one script for one language. Akkadian & Aramaic are both Semitic languages - Sumerian is unrelated to any other. French & English both have words written “loin” & “suit” - only the contexts shows that they are different words with different meanings. Cuneiform is equally unhelpful - unless one knows how to read it; & this was one of the greatest of the difficulties. **

**So there is s****ome ****excuse for these linguistic horrors. **That pseudo-etymology of yours from “Kali” is very amusing.

 

[promethius]

Wow, now I totally missed it? was my question a joke, or Jesus reading a KJVersion of the bibe a joke?

The KJV being “good enough for Jesus” was the joke. Wait… WAS your question supposed to be a joke too?

oh man, i’m baffled. This is why I avoid emotion in typing

 

[Ghoti]

Can it be coincidence that there is a “burning Bush” in Exodus 3 ? Dubya is evidently the same as Nimrod, the fire god of America. :whacky::newidea:

Hmmph. I always suspected Bush was a nimrod.

 

[Zooey]

No, Catholicism is related to Egyptian religion. Catholics worship the sun-god in the Eucharist, and the IHS really stands for Isis, Horus, and Seb, the Egyptian Trinity.

…I’ve been spending too much time on CARM

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Hey hey hey! Jack Chick is a SAINT!..

…in some weird religion out there that I’m sure exists.

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And the winner is…

The original manuscript for the Gospel of John opened, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word read the authorized 1611 King James Bible.”

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[Le_Cracquere]

There were two main languages in ancient Iraq before Aramaic appeared, not one - Sumerian & Akkadian. As both were written in cuneiform, they can be confused; and they were, until it became clear that one script was used for both languages; until that happened, some years after this author’s death, it was almost universally taken for granted that there was one script for one language. Akkadian & Aramaic are both Semitic languages - Sumerian is unrelated to any other. French & English both have words written “loin” & “suit” - only the contexts shows that they are different words with different meanings. Cuneiform is equally unhelpful - unless one knows how to read it; & this was one of the greatest of the difficulties.

All extremely true, and as pseudo-etymologies go, the Easter/Ishtar business is FAR from the most egregious.

And a linguistics-nerd side comment: the Mesopotamian cuneiform script was originally designed for writing Sumerian, which had a fairly basic set of sounds (phonemes) as languages go. Even leaving aside cuneiform’s logographic elements, it does a very poor job of representing what Akkadian words & names must have sounded like–there are extremely basic Semitic phonemes that Akkadian may or may not have retained, but we don’t know because the cuneiform syllabary didn’t offer a way of representing them.

So there is some excuse for these linguistic horrors. That pseudo-etymology of yours from “Kali” is very amusing.

Thanks! And though I once knew a girl named Kellie, I swear she was nothing like Kali (only two arms–I counted).

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

The KJV being “good enough for Jesus” was the joke. Wait… WAS your question supposed to be a joke too?

oh man, i’m baffled. This is why I avoid emotion in typing

The phrase is simple, some-times simple things appear to be too complicated for me. I yield to you and the comment, or joke? or phrase? or something? now I forgot what I was talking about, I surrender.

 

[algebra]

I think the OP has left the building. Too bad. I was waiting for the The Dagon- mitre connection and that Babylonian/Catholic mystery connection! Some the most oft quoted piece of **** around.

Nopes I am here.

I have been reading about judaism and found out that the hard boiled egg on the seder plate originated at the time of the exile to babylon.

It was there that the egg was added to the seder plate in honour of ishtar the goddess of fertility.

this is probably how eggs were associated with easter too.

 

[juliamajor]

Nopes I am here.

I have been reading about judaism and found out that the hard boiled egg on the seder plate originated at the time of the exile to babylon.

It was there that the egg was added to the seder plate in honour of ishtar the goddess of fertility.

this is probably how eggs were associated with easter too.

hahahahahaahahhahhahaaahahhahahahahahhahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhhaahhhaahhaahhahaah-total bosh! Eggs are a very ancent symbol of fertilty in many ancient nations- not just mid east. Easter eggs in Christianity are symbols of the resurrection.You crack the egg open and voila! there is something great inside.
Hope you got better sources on Judaism then you had on Catholicism-cause brother those sources really stink

 

[juliamajor]

From JewishEncyclopedia.com:

“A roasted egg is included among the objects placed upon the Seder table on the eve of the Passover to represent the “hagigah,” or burnt offering… He who gets the roasted egg of the Seder on the morning of the second day of Passover will be specially lucky, and will gain whatever he wishes while eating it. If you steal an egg you will have seven years of poverty, and after death your body will roll round in the grave. A childless woman who is lucky enough to find an egg with a double yolk will, if she eats it, surely bear children.”

 

[juliamajor]

Beitzah — A hard-boiled egg, symbolizing the korban chagigah (festival sacrifice) that was offered in the Temple in Jerusalem and roasted and eaten as part of the meal on Seder night. Although both the Pesach sacrifice and the chagigah were meat offerings, the chagigah is commemorated by an egg, a symbol of mourning (as eggs are the first thing served to mourners after a funeral), evoking the idea of mourning over the destruction of the Temple and our inability to offer any kind of sacrifices in honor of the Pesach holiday. Since the destruction of the Temple, the beitzah serves as a visual reminder of the chagigah; it is not used in any way during the formal part of the seder, but some people eat it with saltwater as the first course of the meal

 

[juliamajor]

Eggs have been a part of springtime traditions for a very long time. Centuries before Christ was born, pagan people of many nations celebrated the return of the sun and the rebirth of nature each spring. Since new life came from eggs, eggs became the symbol of nature’s rebirth. For Jews, too, a roasted egg on the Passover Seder plate has stood for life and the hope of salvation for many, many centuries. Later, Christians adopted the egg to represent Christ’s Resurrection.

 

[Le_Cracquere]

Eggs have been a part of springtime traditions for a very long time. Centuries before Christ was born, pagan people of many nations celebrated the return of the sun and the rebirth of nature each spring. Since new life came from eggs, eggs became the symbol of nature’s rebirth. For Jews, too, a roasted egg on the Passover Seder plate has stood for life and the hope of salvation for many, many centuries. Later, Christians adopted the egg to represent Christ’s Resurrection.

Can’t wait to see what crackpottery the OP will throw at the wall next, all without acknowledging the myriad refutations of his previous entries. Will this one stick? Let’s hide and watch!

Drum roll…