Eastern Catholic Married Priesthood

[thebookofesther]

I ask you the same. Why do you disregard St Paul’s command that a bishop should only have one wife?

To have it your way separates Scripture and Tradition when it is the ongoing Tradition of the Church to allow for married secular clergy.

Until you can clear up those two things there is nothing more you can say on this.

If a man has remarried he can not participate in Holy Orders and one can not remarry after receiving Holy Orders. Nowhere is it said that priests should marry. There in the Bible, the complete opposite is reccommend twice once by Paul and the other by Jesus as I have shown upon you to sacrifice married life to serve Him for the Kingdom of Heaven.

Please now answer my questions:

Why do you disregard St. Paul’s opinion?
How would something like this even be worthy enough to make it into the Bible?
Why do you aslo disregard the words of the pope, past popes, some saints, other saints, and our College of Cardinals? Are they all proof-texting?

 

[RyanBlack]

If a man has remarried he can not participate in Holy Orders and one can not remarry after receiving Holy Orders. Nowhere is it said that priests should marry. There in the Bible, the complete opposite is reccommend twice once by Paul and the other by Jesus as I have shown upon you to sacrifice married life to serve Him for the Kingdom of Heaven.

Please now answer my questions:

Why do you disregard St. Paul’s opinion?
How would something like this even be worthy enough to make it into the Bible?
Why do you aslo disregard the words of the pope, past popes, some saints, other saints, and our College of Cardinals? Are they all proof-texting?

I refer you to the teaching of the Church.

“In the Eastern Churches a different discipline has been in force for many centuries: while bishops are chosen solely from among celibates, married men can be ordained as deacons and priests. This practice has long been considered legitimate; these priests exercise a fruitful ministry within their communities.” Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1580

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

You are gravely misinformed on this subject.

If a man has remarried he can not participate in Holy Orders

A man who has received an annullment may receive Holy Orders.

and one can not remarry after receiving Holy Orders.

No disagreement here.

Nowhere is it said that priests should marry.

And nowhere is it said that priests should not be married.

There in the Bible, the complete opposite is reccommend twice once by Paul and the other by Jesus as I have shown upon you to sacrifice married life to serve Him for the Kingdom of Heaven.

The Bible quote you prooftexted, Paul is not talking about priests. In this section of 1 Corinthians (Chapter 7) he is speaking to all Christians.

Now for Matthew. Do you know how one is made a eunuch is made? Priests are not eunuchs. Also it is not even an explicit command as he says “He who is able to recieve this, let him receive it.”

Please now answer my questions:

Why do you disregard St. Paul’s opinion?

I do no such think. I have read them in context and see that they are not addressing priests. It is you who disregard what Paul is saying.

How would something like this even be worthy enough to make it into the Bible?

Because it is addressing a very important point its just not the point you are trying to make it into.

Why do you aslo disregard the words of the pope, past popes, some saints, other saints, and our College of Cardinals? Are they all proof-texting?

None of them have used these texts in a way to push clerical celibacy as a dogma.

Both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI have stated that priestly celibacy is a discipline and not a dogma. So it can and has been (even very recently) dispensed from in the Latin Church. There are a sizable number of married secular priests in the United States and more are coming in every day with the Anglican Ordinate. That also proves that priestly celibacy is no way intrinsic to the priesthood and there fore not a dogma.

I will pray for you.

 

[thebookofesther]

And God bless you too and your traditions. I would recommend you reread the Scriptures; they are quite clear in what is implicit.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

And God bless you too and your traditions. I would recommend you reread the Scriptures; they are quite clear in what is implicit.

And I recommend that you actually learn about this before going on misusing scripture.

 

[Verden_Leafglow]

Well, suffice it to say, my question is being answered.

 

[CB_Catholic]

You found one. Well two, I’m sure good ole’ St. Paul would object (1 Corinthians 7).

Too bad you are not in accord with Church teaching on this. When someone puts their opinion above that of Church teaching, I tend to give them very little credence.

 

[Tradycja]

They wouldn’t have time to talk to you their wife would be chewing their ear off.

This is entirely untrue. I go to a Ukrainian rite parish. One reason why I STARTED going there is they have confessions during all liturgies. A local latin rite parish has confessiones advertised in their bulletin but TWICE I drove to this parish and there was no priest in the confession. The first time I had to ask what was going on and they said they are “not having confessions” but the priest heard MY confessions. The second time I was basically turned away. This has NEVER happened at the Ukrainian Church with married priests.

There are only TWO Latin rite parishes that have confessions on a Sunday in fact the local diocese has a rule against confessions during Mass. This makes it very hard for Catholics that can’t come to Church on Saturday and then back to Church on Sunday for Mass.

 

[SonCatcher]

Why do you disregard St. Paul’s opinion?

St. Paul was never a pope.

Seriously, he likely ordained married men, himself. Even the Latin Church had married priests for hundreds of years before the tradition of celibacy took hold and hundreds of years more before it was strongly enforced.

St. Augustine would have been at least deferred for Holy Orders today (if not entirely denied) due to his son and likely would never have been ordained a bishop because of the current canon law.

 

[babochka]

They wouldn’t have time to talk to you their wife would be chewing their ear off.

My married priest spent an hour after church yesterday talking to my parents about an important dilemma in their lives. I happened to know that his wife was hosting a baby shower at home and he was going to take the kids somewhere for the afternoon. He was late because he took the time to counsel some parishioners. He is a priest, and she understands. Yes, it is a difficult vocation for the priest and his wife, but both are committed to making the necessary sacrifices. He is a kind, humble, considerate, and dedicated priest and any church would be blessed to have him. He is an outstanding confessor, excellent homilist, a good husband and a good father.

I greatly admire the vocation to celibacy and am thankful to the celibate priests who have dedicated their entire lives to the church. I am also thankful to married priests and their wives and families who have made different sacrifices. Please be respectful to them.

 

[Verden_Leafglow]

This is entirely untrue. I go to a Ukrainian rite parish. One reason why I STARTED going there is they have confessions during all liturgies. A local latin rite parish has confessiones advertised in their bulletin but TWICE I drove to this parish and there was no priest in the confession. The first time I had to ask what was going on and they said they are “not having confessions” but the priest heard MY confessions. The second time I was basically turned away. This has NEVER happened at the Ukrainian Church with married priests.

There are only TWO Latin rite parishes that have confessions on a Sunday in fact the local diocese has a rule against confessions during Mass. This makes it very hard for Catholics that can’t come to Church on Saturday and then back to Church on Sunday for Mass.

As an Easterner, I have to say that I personally make a point to never go to confession during Mass/Divine Liturgy. If I’m coming for the Sunday service, I’m going to participate in it, not leave momentarily in the middle of it, and I would hope that the priests would encourage the people to do the same. Thankfully, all the priests I know do confessions before/after Divine Liturgy, have other times for confession, and also offer confessions at by appointment if you just contact them, but that’s just my experience.

 

[bilop]

As an Easterner, I have to say that I personally make a point to never go to confession during Mass/Divine Liturgy. If I’m coming for the Sunday service, I’m going to participate in it, not leave momentarily in the middle of it, and I would hope that the priests would encourage the people to do the same.

True, but we shouldn’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Some people will never go to confession if it’s not offered before/during Mass (it really should only continue during Mass if the line was too long, and must stop before the Consecration).

It’s better for those people to miss part of Mass than to remain in mortal sin, and likely receive unworthily.

God Bless

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

As an Easterner, I have to say that I personally make a point to never go to confession during Mass/Divine Liturgy. If I’m coming for the Sunday service, I’m going to participate in it, not leave momentarily in the middle of it, and I would hope that the priests would encourage the people to do the same. Thankfully, all the priests I know do confessions before/after Divine Liturgy, have other times for confession, and also offer confessions at by appointment if you just contact them, but that’s just my experience.

Some parishes have multiple priests.

Even if they don’t they offer confession prior to the Divine Liturgy so you come early to Liturgy and go to confession.

Those with multiple priests also continue to offer confession up to the little entrance.

 

[feed_me]

I’m on the side of the Eastern Catholics, so…