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From the non- Christian and worldly perspective - yes many view many vices as not wrong…
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As a matter of fact, what Latins would call a mortal sin might be understood as a transgressions by Easterners; conversely, what these would call a sin might be understood as a venial sin by Latins.
I had to attend to my kids - and came back to finish but time is up.Mortal sin (serious sin) would not be what is called “transgressions”.
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Wanted to add:
The term “transgressions” in the East refers to that which is done inadvertently or with ignorance.
Mortal sin (serious sin) - both in East and West are done deliberately - full full knowledge and complete consent.
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PS *Sorry *for my rather too terse and abrupt first response today.
Hopefully my later posts got to things better…filled things out better with more time etc.
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Augustine
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What I am talking about is also true about the Eastern Catholic Churches. Their theology precedes and differs from the Thomistic tenets that make the foundation of Western theology.The Catholic Church would not agree with those ideas there.
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Augustine
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Yes, but the gravity of the matter is relevant in the Western understanding, but not in the Eastern. Then, what may be considered a venial sin to Rome is not automatically a transgression to the Phanar (even those Churches formerly belonging to the Phanar but now to Rome).Mortal sin (serious sin) - both in East and West are done deliberately - full full knowledge and complete consent.
At the end of the day, sin is as much a mystery as is grace. We can talk all day long, sometimes together, sometimes across each other. But, unlike the West, the East is comfortable with the utter inability of the human mind, even St. Thomas’ mind, to whom everything he wrote was straw, to fully comprehend not only the grand mystery of God, but also the mystery of man.
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Vico
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Grave sin (gravis peccati) is certainly to be confessed. This implies that there are other sins that are not grave.Yes, but the gravity of the matter is relevant in the Western understanding, but not in the Eastern. Then, what may be considered a venial sin to Rome is not automatically a transgression to the Phanar (even those Churches formerly belonging to the Phanar but now to Rome).
At the end of the day, sin is as much a mystery as is grace. We can talk all day long, sometimes together, sometimes across each other. But, unlike the West, the East is comfortable with the utter inability of the human mind, even St. Thomas’ mind, to whom everything he wrote was straw, to fully comprehend not only the grand mystery of God, but also the mystery of man.
CCEO Eastern Canon law:
Can. 719 - Qui gravis peccati sibi conscius est, quam primum fieri potest, sacramentum paenitentiae suscipiat; omnibus vero christifidelibus enixe commendatur, ut frequenter et praesertim temporibus ieiunii et paenitentiae in propria Ecelesia sui iuris servandis hoc sacramentum suscipiant.
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Bookcat
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Your understanding there is mistaken.Yes, but the gravity of the matter is relevant in the Western understanding, but not in the Eastern. .
It is universal in the Catholic Church.
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See below. and above.Yes, but the gravity of the matter is relevant in the Western understanding, but not in the Eastern. .
What some of the Orthodox Churches may judge here or there is not under discussion here. Discussing here the Catholic Church. Let us not widen the topic for that will take us off topic.Then, what may be considered a venial sin to Rome is not automatically a transgression to the Phanar.
In addition to the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Eastern Code of Canon Law…Yes, but the gravity of the matter is relevant in the Western understanding, but not in the Eastern. .
A few other examples from Eastern Catholic Churches:
From:
“Our Lady of Lebanon Maronite Catholic Church”
“In order to be properly disposed to receive Communion, one should not be conscious of grave sin and normally should have fasted for one hour prior to receiving. A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to receive the Body and Blood of Christ without having received sacramental absolution in Confession…”
“Our Lady of Purgatory Maronite Eastern Catholic Church”
“Moreover, all the witnesses who testified in the cause of Father Charbel were old, pious monks, or lay people known for their deep faith and piety. Everyone of them would prefer to die rather than commit one mortal sin…”
"St Vladimir Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church:
“SACRAMENT OF PENANCE (CONFESSION)
before Liturgies or by appointment. Parish members should go to Holy Confession at least once a month on average, or more often if there is a serious or mortal sin. In the case of a serious or mortal sin, one may not receive Holy Communion, until they have first gone to Confession and received absolution. For small or ‘daily’ sins, one may receive Holy Communion as often as once a day, provided they have made an examination of conscience, a sincere Act of Contrition, and recited the Prayer before Holy Communion, found in the text of the Liturgy.”
(serious sin = mortal sin= grave sin- the terms get interchanged in the Church -in the western canon law the term “grave sin” is used in the eastern canon law the term “serious sin” - they all refer to the same reality of mortal sin
From the “St. Thomas Chaldean Catholic Church”
WHAT IS A
MORTAL SIN?
In Confession you should confess all your
mortal sins (serious sins) that you have committed since the last time you confessed.
For a sin to be considered mortal it must be:
1)
Grave Matter
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2)
Done with full knowledge
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it.
3)
Done with full consent of the will
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