Eastern Catholic vs. Roman Catholic views

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As a Roman Catholic, interested in the Orthodox perspective, I am wondering about the Orthodox influence on the expression of Catholic theology on Eastern Catholics. I am speaking about similarities between the Eastern Catholics and the Orthodox that would be less familiar to a Roman Catholic. For example, would Eastern Catholics, like the Orthodox, tend to think of God in apophatic terms?
 
As a Roman Catholic, interested in the Orthodox perspective, I am wondering about the Orthodox influence on the expression of Catholic theology on Eastern Catholics. I am speaking about similarities between the Eastern Catholics and the Orthodox that would be less familiar to a Roman Catholic. For example, would Eastern Catholics, like the Orthodox, tend to think of God in apophatic terms?
I’m not an Eastern Catholic, but something tells me you won’t get very far in your inquiries by labeling them as “Orthodox influence”. It implies that their expressions of the Catholic faith are externally formed by the Eastern Orthodox, and are not original and authentic to their place as Eastern Catholics. We must be mindful of how we cast our misconceptions on others. 🙂
 
I’m not an Eastern Catholic, but something tells me you won’t get very far in your inquiries by labeling them as “Orthodox influence”. It implies that their expressions of the Catholic faith are externally formed by the Eastern Orthodox, and are not original and authentic to their place as Eastern Catholics. We must be mindful of how we cast our misconceptions on others. 🙂
What I was getting at is more subtle, We have a phrase in Latin, lex orandi, lex credendi, the law of prayer is the law of belief, the interrelationship between how we pray and what we believe. What I’m interested in would be, for example, if the traditions of an Eastern Catholic have aspects more in common with Orthodoxy than with Roman Catholicism, I would think there would be nuances of differences in expressions of belief of an Eastern Catholic, as compared to a Roman Catholic.
 
In many/most aspects Eastern/Byzantine Catholic theology does more closely reflect Orthodox theology than it does Roman/Latin theology primarily because our liturgies are identical, our spiritual patrimony is identical, and our histories are closely intertwined. That being said, however, there are points where Eastern Catholic theology may more closely reflect aspects of Roman/Latin theology primarily because Eastern Catholics have a theology that is done in communion with Roman (and, consequently, with other Eastern/Oriental Catholic traditions as well). Our core beliefs are the same, but we Eastern Catholics oftentimes view those core beliefs through different lenses and prisms, and from different angles. We may often seem to have contradictory theologies to those of Rome, not because we come to contradictory conclusions, but because the fundamental questions we ask are different from the questions a Roman/Latin would ask.
 
What I was getting at is more subtle, We have a phrase in Latin, lex orandi, lex credendi, the law of prayer is the law of belief, the interrelationship between how we pray and what we believe. What I’m interested in would be, for example, if the traditions of an Eastern Catholic have aspects more in common with Orthodoxy than with Roman Catholicism, I would think there would be nuances of differences in expressions of belief of an Eastern Catholic, as compared to a Roman Catholic.
I too am well aware that the Eastern Catholics may express their faith more similarly to that of the Eastern Orthodox than the Latin Catholic Church, but what I’m getting at is that this does not mean that it is influenced by the Orthodox. That is the thrust of my post. I may sound pedantic over semantics, but it speaks volumes of how we perceive their theology. We must understand and respect that these similarities are not because they are actively trying to emulate the Orthodox, nor that the Orthodox are imposing their theology upon them, but because this is inherent to their theology as Eastern Catholics. 🙂
 
I too am well aware that the Eastern Catholics may express their faith more similarly to that of the Eastern Orthodox than the Latin Catholic Church, but what I’m getting at is that this does not mean that it is influenced by the Orthodox. That is the thrust of my post. I may sound pedantic over semantics, but it speaks volumes of how we perceive their theology. We must understand and respect that these similarities are not because they are actively trying to emulate the Orthodox, nor that the Orthodox are imposing their theology upon them, but because this is inherent to their theology as Eastern Catholics. 🙂
Yes, I hope that my second post clarified that I was not making such an inference.
 
What I was getting at is more subtle, We have a phrase in Latin, lex orandi, lex credendi, the law of prayer is the law of belief, the interrelationship between how we pray and what we believe. What I’m interested in would be, for example, if the traditions of an Eastern Catholic have aspects more in common with Orthodoxy than with Roman Catholicism, I would think there would be nuances of differences in expressions of belief of an Eastern Catholic, as compared to a Roman Catholic.
Functionally, most of the byzantine rite churches (14 last I bothered to count) are essentially and liturgically “Orthodox in Union with Rome” and do in fact share most of the doctrinal differences that the Orthodox have, tho not the dogmatic differences. Mary was taken to heaven in parts - soul first, body days later, then reunited. Theosis rather than explicit Purgation.

But one must also understand the core meanings of the terms for that to make sense:
Dogma - what must be believed.
Doctrine - what must be taught, and must act as if believed, but isn’t required to actually be believed.
Rubrics - that which must be done.

In keeping the Orthodox Liturgy, one keeps the Orthodox doctrine, unless one mangles the propers. I’ve seen claims aplenty that the propers have been mangled within the Ruthenian church, but see no actual evidence of that.

The Rubrics vary widely within the EO churches, and even more so amonst the EC churches.

We are prone to many EO books in our bookstores for developing our faith, for they are closer to our understanding than the Roman ones.

Are we the same faith? Depends how you define faith -
If you define “the same faith” by sharing all doctrines and dogmas, no, and the EO also are not obviously one faith; if it’s just dogmas, yes, the EC’s and Romans are one faith. If it’s “all the dogmas and most of the docrines” then yes - and the EO on the ground are likewise all one faith. If it’s the sharing of the same creed, then, again, yes, but then so are the Orthodox, Lutherans, and non-progressive anglicans.

(The Roman Credo is not the Nicene-Constantinopolitan creed - but rome does accept the NCC as well, and the NCC is the Byzantine standard.)
 
I’m not an Eastern Catholic, but something tells me you won’t get very far in your inquiries by labeling them as “Orthodox influence”. It implies that their expressions of the Catholic faith are externally formed by the Eastern Orthodox, and are not original and authentic to their place as Eastern Catholics. We must be mindful of how we cast our misconceptions on others. 🙂
I don’t think there anything wrong with saying “Orthodox influence”, provided it is understood that those similarities are not (at least since Vatican II) for the sake of proselytizing among the Orthodox.
 
In the Divine Liturgy, we ask for forgiveness for unknown sins. As a Roman Catholic either this concept is not emphasized or I have not come across it. Would Eastern Catholics confess unknown sins? For that matter, to receive the grace of the sacrament, would some Catholics confess unknown sins when matter for confession is lacking? This may be one of the differences I was wondering about.
 
In many/most aspects Eastern/Byzantine Catholic theology does more closely reflect Orthodox theology than it does Roman/Latin theology primarily because our liturgies are identical, our spiritual patrimony is identical, and our histories are closely intertwined. That being said, however, there are points where Eastern Catholic theology may more closely reflect aspects of Roman/Latin theology primarily because Eastern Catholics have a theology that is done in communion with Roman (and, consequently, with other Eastern/Oriental Catholic traditions as well). Our core beliefs are the same, but we Eastern Catholics oftentimes view those core beliefs through different lenses and prisms, and from different angles. We may often seem to have contradictory theologies to those of Rome, not because we come to contradictory conclusions, but because the fundamental questions we ask are different from the questions a Roman/Latin would ask.
Can you mention what some of those difference would be?
 
I don’t think there anything wrong with saying “Orthodox influence”, provided it is understood that those similarities are not (at least since Vatican II) for the sake of proselytizing among the Orthodox.
And it is also understood that those similarities are not because Catholics are really under the sway of Orthodox but simply because of their common deposit of faith. 🙂

Also…

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17358&stc=1&d=1370422181

Happy 6,666th post. How very ominous. 😃
 
Can you mention what some of those difference would be?
The role of the pope.
The role of Metropolitans/Archbishops and their suffragans.
The role of Patriarchs and Major Archbishops to their churches and synods. (Not Roman, but also not close to the EO, tho’ approved of by the Romans; the Russians are closest to it amongst the EO.)

The acceptance of sunday and holy day attendance as an obligation… (but note that the obligation itself exists in the EO - miss 3 without permission, and you’re [lesser] excommunicated within some EO churches. Pretty clear sign of obligation, even tho’ the term isn’t used. Of course, miss once without cause, and by the CCEO, you also get the lesser excommunication of anyone with a mortal sin…)
 
And it is also understood that those similarities are not because Catholics are really under the sway of Orthodox
True. We wouldn’t want people to go thinking that we’re subject to imposed-orthodizations (or whatever we might call them). :eek: :doh2: 😉
 
The role of the pope.
The role of Metropolitans/Archbishops and their suffragans.
The role of Patriarchs and Major Archbishops to their churches and synods. (Not Roman, but also not close to the EO, tho’ approved of by the Romans; the Russians are closest to it amongst the EO.)

The acceptance of sunday and holy day attendance as an obligation… (but note that the obligation itself exists in the EO - miss 3 without permission, and you’re [lesser] excommunicated within some EO churches. Pretty clear sign of obligation, even tho’ the term isn’t used. Of course, miss once without cause, and by the CCEO, you also get the lesser excommunication of anyone with a mortal sin…)
Thank you for you post. How is the role of the Pope different between Eastern Catholics and Roman Catholics?
 
Thank you for you post. How is the role of the Pope different between Eastern Catholics and Roman Catholics?
For those in Patriarchal churches and Major Archiepiscopal churches, the pope confirms appointments outside the traditional territories, he’s merely informed about those within.

Patriarchs and Major Archbishops have many of the duties that the Roman church reserves to Rome. The authority to remove bishops from office, to ordain, assign, enthrone, transfer and/or remove bishops from office; to laicize priests and deacons; to establish exempt holy orders; to exercise full, immediate and personal authority within their suffragan dioceses; to negotiate corporate reunions; to impose corporate interdict and/or corporate excommunication.

Rome has not, in the last 100 years, overturned an interdict nor excommunication by a patriarch or major archbishop that I’ve been able to find. The most recent appeal was by a group of priests excommunicated and suspended ad divinis by Major Archbishop Cardinal Hussar; Rome quickly and promptly (weeks) upheld their punishments.
 
In the Divine Liturgy, we ask for forgiveness for unknown sins. As a Roman Catholic either this concept is not emphasized or I have not come across it. Would Eastern Catholics confess unknown sins? For that matter, to receive the grace of the sacrament, would some Catholics confess unknown sins when matter for confession is lacking? This may be one of the differences I was wondering about.
I would think all Christians would ask God to forgive them for all their sins, whether they can remember them or not. Is that really just an “Eastern” thing?
 
I would think all Christians would ask God to forgive them for all their sins, whether they can remember them or not. Is that really just an “Eastern” thing?
I think it may be. Cathoilcs are told they need “matter” for confession, and that means to be conscious of a sin, even a venial sin.
 
I think it may be. Cathoilcs are told they need “matter” for confession, and that means to be conscious of a sin, even a venial sin.
Yes, but aren’t you aware all the time that you’re a sinner even when you can’t remember a specific sin? Is it really all that hard for human beings to find “matter”?

I mean, even if you haven’t committed a sin, there are always the sins of omission (failing to help those in need, etc.).
 
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