Isn’t it possible that someone hasn’t committed a sin since his or her last confession? That is why the notion of involuntary and unknown sins would be helpful to making a devotional confession, to receive the graces of the sacrament, if unaware of specific sins at a given time. I do not believe these terms are used in the Catholic Church but maybe in the Catholic Orthodox Churches?
Thank you very much for the link. I look forward to reading this.
Your very welcome!
Yes, but since “even the just man falls 7 times a day” (Proverbs 24:16), I’d want to see their canonization papers.
Hello DJLake.
One difference would be the concept of kneeling ( with or without kneelers ) hehehe
Certainly. “Sacrament” = “Sacramentum” (Latin). But why would the Orthodox use Latin?
A snippet of the "Ukrainian Catholic Catechism by Casimir Kucharek
right ?Sorry about that Peter J. What I meant was,
Don’t apologize, I was agreeing with you. “Sacrament” = “Sacramentum” (Latin), which translated to English would be “Mystery”.
Yes, we are all sinners, but I’m talking about a particular interval of time in which, it is possible to be unaware of having committed a particular sin.Hello DJLake.
We have this portion of the Latin mass where we utter these words of the Confiteor
“I confess to almighty God
and to you, my brothers and sisters,
that I have greatly sinned
in my thoughts
and in my words,
in what I have done,
and what I have failed to do.
through my fault,
through my fault,
through my most grievous fault,
therefore, I ask blessed Mary ever virgin,
all the angels and saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters
to pray for me to the Lord, our God.”
I am interested in how sin in defined. It makes sense in terms of involuntary and unknown sins that we are sinning constantly, that is falling short of the ideal, of the perfect will of God. However, I think the RC Church defines sins differently, and does not talk about involuntary or unknown sins.Yes, but since “even the just man falls 7 times a day” (Proverbs 24:16), I’d want to see their canonization papers.
Isn’t that what “venial sins” are, though? Sins that you commit almost out of habit, without fully realizing they’re sins?
L 42, 418). It is an offense against God. It rises up against God in a disobedience contrary to the obedience of Christ.”A venial sin would be a lesser sin, maybe one of less serious matter, or if there is grave matter, the other two conditions (sufficient reflection and full consent) are lacking. The Catholic Church does not consider it a sin for evil thoughts to come to the mind, so long as one does not entertain the thoughts and tries to dismiss them. Commiting small or venial sins out of habit or vice is still something of which the sinner is aware. This seems totally different from involuntary and unknowable sins, and it makes a great deal of sense to me to be sorry for something which wasn’t even intentional. I suppose it is like being sorry for accidentally hurting somene even when not at fault.Isn’t that what “venial sins” are, though? Sins that you commit almost out of habit, without fully realizing they’re sins?
From the CCC:
“1871 Sin is an utterance, a deed, or a desire contrary to the eternal law (St. Augustine, Faust 22
I bolded the words “or a desire” because certainly you can have a sinful desire without acting on it - but it may still be a sin even if it’s something you can’t really control.
Does that make more sense?
? So tell me, do Western Catholics refrain from saying prayers like the “Hail Mary” (“pray for us sinners”), the Confiteor (“through my fault, through my fault, through my most grevious fault”), the Memorare (“to thee do we come, before thee we stand, sinful and sorrowful”), etc., after going to Confession, because hey, you’re no longer aware of having committed any sins so the words don’t apply to you any more?
