Eastern Catholicism and the rosary

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theistgal said:
those requests seem to be aimed at Lain Catholics. And that’s fine…it’s a Latin devotion. The same can be said of the Western Marian Apparitions…aimed at Latin Catholics with Latin theology at the heart of them.
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this i really cant accept, it makes no sense for God to operate like this. these apparitions, if one chooses to believe in them, are for all humankind. eastern catholics and roman catholics are indeed the same religion…

the following is not directed at you but i hear the similar things in regards to the divine mercy chaplet in this country (USA), that its not for eastern catholics because st faustina is latin so it’s a latinization. what? is there a latin heaven for latin only that she is in? in europe divine mercy sunday is extremely popular with the greek catholic faithful, and i hope it stays that way.
theistgal said:
Did you know that no Catholic is required to pray the Rosary at all? It’s a personal devotion. And a very nice one, at that. But still, we are perfectly free to pray it or not pray it as we wish.
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i know all too well, the local roman catholics would rather tune their electric guitars before mass rather than have a rosary or any other devotion…
theistgal said:
When was the last time you prayed the Akathist to the Theotokos? Some of us believe she likes that devotion as well. 😉
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i know what it is but honestly ive never remember doing so, at home i stick to my rosary as did my father and grandparents and their parents and grandparents…
 
magyar88 said:
this i really cant accept, it makes no sense for God to operate like this. these apparitions, if one chooses to believe in them, are for all humankind. eastern catholics and roman catholics are indeed the same religion…

the following is not directed at you but i hear the similar things in regards to the divine mercy chaplet in this country (USA), that its not for eastern catholics because st faustina is latin so it’s a latinization. what? is there a latin heaven for latin only that she is in? in europe divine mercy sunday is extremely popular with the greek catholic faithful, and i hope it stays that way.
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What I mean to say is that God shows and tells people things in ways they can understand. Latin theology IS different than Byzantine (and Syriac, Coptic etc) theology. Therefore it would stand to reason that Mary appearing to Latins would use Latin terminology etc than if she had appeared to an Eastern or Oriental.

Rome herself wants the Eastern Catholic Churches to return to their roots…and that includes their own devotions…
 
magyar88 said:
this i really cant accept, it makes no sense for God to operate like this. these apparitions, if one chooses to believe in them, are for all humankind. eastern catholics and roman catholics are indeed the same religion…

the following is not directed at you but i hear the similar things in regards to the divine mercy chaplet in this country (USA), that its not for eastern catholics because st faustina is latin so it’s a latinization. what? is there a latin heaven for latin only that she is in? in europe divine mercy sunday is extremely popular with the greek catholic faithful, and i hope it stays that way.

i know all too well, the local roman catholics would rather tune their electric guitars before mass rather than have a rosary or any other devotion…

i know what it is but honestly ive never remember doing so, at home i stick to my rosary as did my father and grandparents and their parents and grandparents…
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Why don’t Roman Catholics adopt all of our Eastern devotions and Holy Days?
 
RyanBlack said:
Why don’t Roman Catholics adopt all of our Eastern devotions and Holy Days?
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Maybe we should re-adopt our own and concurrently discard what has been imported from (or imposed by) the Latins first. 😉
 
Well gee, as long we’re forcing other churches to do our bidding, I think you should all adopt the Coptic calendar. This way you can enjoy the celebrations of Kiahk, the “Month of St. Mary” as it is popularly conceived of (probably due to the presence of praises like this throughout the month). Seeing as how the Theotokos most famously appeared for the longest recorded period of time above a Coptic Orthodox Church in Egypt, I’m pretty sure St. Mary most approves of this type of devotion, and not your Latin or Latinized devotions to your Rosary.

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Q.E.D. Now get off your duffs and get to chanting the melismatic sherat. Go! Go now! It takes a long time! :eek:
 
magyar88 said:
this i really cant accept, it makes no sense for God to operate like this. these apparitions, if one chooses to believe in them, are for all humankind. eastern catholics and roman catholics are indeed the same religion…

the following is not directed at you but i hear the similar things in regards to the divine mercy chaplet in this country (USA), that its not for eastern catholics because st faustina is latin so it’s a latinization. what? is there a latin heaven for latin only that she is in? in europe divine mercy sunday is extremely popular with the greek catholic faithful, and i hope it stays that way.

i know all too well, the local roman catholics would rather tune their electric guitars before mass rather than have a rosary or any other devotion…

i know what it is but honestly ive never remember doing so, at home i stick to my rosary as did my father and grandparents and their parents and grandparents…
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First of all, you need to learn how to properly use the quotes, please; you’ve mixed me up with someone else.

Second, the alternative to the Rosary in the Eastern Catholic Churches is NOT “electric guitars” - you’d know that if you took the time to find out more about us and our traditions.

Third, it’s wonderful that you are sticking to your traditions like your ancestors did. That’s what Eastern Catholics do as well.

And fourth, have a nice day. 🙂
 
MorEphrem said:
I don’t claim to understand Marian apparition, so who knows other than God?

However, while the Eastern Catholic Churches do not miss out from not saying the rosary since we have many devotions amongst ourselves, I think the Latin Church (by overstating the rosary) harms itself by lack of the office, the second highest form of worship. The attitude I’ve gotten from Latins (who even know what the office is) is it (i.e. the office) seems a bit unnecessary with all these wonderful promises in private revelation related to the rosary. Truly a deficient understanding of liturgy and devotion.
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I agree with you to a point. I find great power in the Rosary and do try to pray it daily…but I fully accept the Church’s teaching that the Divine Office is, as the liturgy of the Church, the second greatest prayer after the Eucharist itself. There are Latin parishes that offer the Divine Office…my old Cathedral offered public Lauds each morning and public Vespers on Sunday evenings…but they are sadly few and far between, despite the Second Vatican Council’s clear teaching on the matter.

That being said, the Byzantine Tradition does have its own Rosary equivalent - the Prayer Rule of the Theotokos.
 
theistgal said:
Second, the alternative to the Rosary in the Eastern Catholic Churches is NOT “electric guitars” - you’d know that if you took the time to find out more about us and our traditions.
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One of the most popular Christian bands in Slovakia is lead by a Greek Catholic priest. It’s very common to hear a guitar played before and during services for Greek Catholic young people.😃
 
Patchunky said:
One of the most popular Christian bands in Slovakia is lead by a Greek Catholic priest. It’s very common to hear a guitar played before and during services for Greek Catholic young people.😃
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Silly Greeks! 😃

Seriously, I know the Greek ORTHODOX also use organs in their churches. Greeks seem to be the “exception that proves the rule” in both churches! 🙂
 
Patchunky said:
One of the most popular Christian bands in Slovakia is lead by a Greek Catholic priest. It’s very common to hear a guitar played before and during services for Greek Catholic young people.😃
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The younguns in the parish were giving me quizzical looks last night when I started reprising the closing hymn (Carju Nebesnyj) in Slavonic, in the fellowship hall between Liturgy and the Cantor’s Practice… but gave up when Reverend Father Michailo joined in. (He’d come in humming it… which prompted me to sing it again…)

The kids need to know it’s OK to sing hymns to God outside the liturgy.
 
Patchunky said:
An example of the work of the band BARTIMEJ from Presov, Slovakia…

youtube.com/watch?v=1XirRvbdFTQ
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(Sigh) Ok - “uncle”. I’m completely wrong. Obviously Eastern Orthodox use instrumental music in their worship services just like Catholics. Every Eastern Orthodox Church has a space reserved for their Rock N Roll Praise Band, with plenty of outlets for the electric guitars. Just like Catholics. Right? :rolleyes:
 
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