Eastern Catholics and Ecumenical Councils

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This is just a matter of curiosity, but I’m wondering, do Eastern Rite Catholics recognize all the Councils of the RCC (All 21), or do they just accept the basic ones of wherever they originated, for example do Chaldeans recognize Ephesus, or Armenians Chalcedon?
 
There is no disagreement that they are all binding upon the Roman Church. There is less consistency in whether or not they are all binding upon the ECCs. Generally, their disciplinary canons are not accepted by Churches which were not participatory in them.

Dogmas declared in them have to be accepted, but the Ecumenical Council status may still be non-acknowledged.
 
Interesting, so basically while they have to accept the teachings and condemnations which came out of the councils, they don’t have to recognise the council itself?
 
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Interesting, so basically while they have to accept the teachings and condemnations which came out of the councils, they don’t have to recognise the council itself?
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It’s also a matter of semantics and translation. For example, Eastern Catholics believe in the essential elements of what we Latins call “original sin” but many don’t much like that term or some common inferrences that are drawn from the way the dogma is worded.
 
Aramis said:
Dogmas declared in them have to be accepted, but the Ecumenical Council status may still be non-acknowledged.
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If a council is not recognized as Ecumenical then why are its dogmatic definitions recognized as necessarily binding?
 
Are not the pan-Orthodox synods considered binding yet they are not Ecumenical councils?
 
Formosus said:
Are not the pan-Orthodox synods considered binding yet they are not Ecumenical councils?
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Not so far as I know. I’ve never heard of anything beyond the Fifth Council of Constantinople (sometimes considered the Ninth Ecumenical Council) being binding.
 
what do you mean by “binding”?

As an Oriental Catholic, I hold the first 3 Councils in pre-eminent place, but I also accept that there are certain Truths that the next 4 Councils proclaim that I have no issues with and do not contradict (the ones that the Byzantine Catholics and Eastern Orthodox publicly proclaim), and that the next 14 Councils mainly deal with issues of the Latin Church, which I do not oppose but recognize that they don’t really address my Church at all.
 
Nine_Two said:
This is just a matter of curiosity, but I’m wondering, do Eastern Rite Catholics recognize all the Councils of the RCC (All 21), or do they just accept the basic ones of wherever they originated, for example do Chaldeans recognize Ephesus, or Armenians Chalcedon?
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They are Catholics, so they recognize the Councils that the Catholic Church acknowledges (all 21).
 
SyroMalankara said:
what do you mean by “binding”?

As an Oriental Catholic, I hold the first 3 Councils in pre-eminent place, but I also accept that there are certain Truths that the next 4 Councils proclaim that I have no issues with and do not contradict (the ones that the Byzantine Catholics and Eastern Orthodox publicly proclaim), and that the next 14 Councils mainly deal with issues of the Latin Church, which I do not oppose but recognize that they don’t really address my Church at all.
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That last bit was part of my reason for asking, a lot don’t seem very relevent to other churches, so I was wondering what kind of esteem they are held in.

However I was also asking because I was curious how traditions which originally opposed these councils, now felt towards them.
 
Formosus said:
Are not the pan-Orthodox synods considered binding yet they are not Ecumenical councils?
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Nope, a synod is just a meeting between bishops. While the role of a synod changes within churches, a pan-Orthodox synod can only recommend stuff, although as far as I know a truly global council of all the churches has not been held in several hundred years, although I’ve heard rumours that one is expected shortly.
 
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Nope, a synod is just a meeting between bishops. While the role of a synod changes within churches, a pan-Orthodox synod can only recommend stuff, although as far as I know a truly global council of all the churches has not been held in several hundred years, although I’ve heard rumours that one is expected shortly.
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There has never been a global council.
 
agiosotheos said:
There has never been a global council.
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Not getting into pedantics with you again, but I was thinking of a pan-Orthodox council not recognised as Eccumenical. I was also thinking specifically of the Synod of Jerusalem, which I now see wouldn’t count since it wasn’t pan-Orthodox. An argument could be put forward for Constantinople V, but there is also the argument that it was eccumenical, which is probably going to be the case with any council which fits my above definition.
 
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The same way all Catholics accept all Councils recognized by the Catholic Church.
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I suggest you read some of the Melkit Patriarchs’ writings. They do NOT accept 12 of the last 14 as ecumenical. They accept Catholic Dogma, but not that those western regional councils are ecumenical. They are emphatic in that.
 
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