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mrld20
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Hi, do eastern catholic cardinals help elect the pope? Or since their in their own branch do they do their own thing and not elect the pope?
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Matthew_Holford
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All cardinals who are less than 80 years old participate in a papal election. It makes no difference whether the cardinal is an Eastern, Latin, or Oriental Catholic.Hi, do eastern catholic cardinals help elect the pope? Or since their in their own branch do they do their own thing and not elect the pope?
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jmjconder
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**Great question. I will be watching the answer.
The Eastern Church does not have Cardinals they have Patriarchs. I do not think they would be in the voting for the Bishop of Rome since they are in union with the Patriach of their rite .
Only Cardinals in the Latin rite would vote for the Pope…I conclude. Latin Rite Cardinals do not vote for Patriaches of other Catholic rites. Why would they vote for in the Roman?**
The Eastern Church does not have Cardinals they have Patriarchs. I do not think they would be in the voting for the Bishop of Rome since they are in union with the Patriach of their rite .
Only Cardinals in the Latin rite would vote for the Pope…I conclude. Latin Rite Cardinals do not vote for Patriaches of other Catholic rites. Why would they vote for in the Roman?**
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MarkThompson
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Eastern prelates do indeed get appointed to the cardinalate, and they go to the conclave and vote just like anybody else. Cardinal Husar and Cardinal Naguib are the two right now who come to mind. The Eastern Catholic Churches aren’t different religions; they’re truly a part of the Catholic Church.The Eastern Church does not have Cardinals they have Patriarchs. I do not think they would be in the voting for the Bishop of Rome since they are in union with the Patriach of their rite .
Only Cardinals in the Latin rite would vote for the Pope…I conclude. Latin Rite Cardinals do not vote for Patriaches of other Catholic rites. Why would they vote for in the Roman?
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ConstantineTG
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As Mark has stated, some Eastern Catholic prelates are given the title of Cardinal and are part of the electorate for the Pope. Because the Pope has primacy over ALL the Churches, then it makes sense for the Eastern Churches to be represented in the elections. The Eastern patriarchs and major archbishops actually are contending that by virtue of their office they have to be part of the conclave, without necessarily being made a Cardinal. But the practice in force right now is that they are made Cardinals. I think its limited to one cardinal per Eastern Church. For example the Patriarch of the UGCC has been a Cardinal for the last few patriarchs. But the current one, H.B. Sviatoslav, is not. This is because H.B. Husar is still alive.**Great question. I will be watching the answer.
The Eastern Church does not have Cardinals they have Patriarchs. I do not think they would be in the voting for the Bishop of Rome since they are in union with the Patriach of their rite .
Only Cardinals in the Latin rite would vote for the Pope…I conclude. Latin Rite Cardinals do not vote for Patriaches of other Catholic rites. Why would they vote for in the Roman?**
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twf
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I would be in favor of the heads of all Eastern Churches sui iuris participating in papal elections. That being said, Eastern Catholics would have far greater representation, proportionately, than Latins…considering the difference in numbers! The 16 million Latin Catholics of Canada, for example, only have two or three voting cardinals…As Mark has stated, some Eastern Catholic prelates are given the title of Cardinal and are part of the electorate for the Pope. Because the Pope has primacy over ALL the Churches, then it makes sense for the Eastern Churches to be represented in the elections. The Eastern patriarchs and major archbishops actually are contending that by virtue of their office they have to be part of the conclave, without necessarily being made a Cardinal. But the practice in force right now is that they are made Cardinals. I think its limited to one cardinal per Eastern Church. For example the Patriarch of the UGCC has been a Cardinal for the last few patriarchs. But the current one, H.B. Sviatoslav, is not. This is because H.B. Husar is still alive.
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Hesychios
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Actually, bishops should not be voting on the primate of another synod, it is a bad precedent. Latin bishops should not have a vote on the Primate of Antioch, Antiochian bishops should not have a vote on the Primate of Alexandria, and Alexandrian bishops should not have a vote on the Primate of Rome. They need to stay out of each other’s business, it does violence to the ancient canonical order of the church and among other things the eastern churches are always going to suffer for it in the end.I would be in favor of the heads of all Eastern Churches sui iuris participating in papal elections. That being said, Eastern Catholics would have far greater representation, proportionately, than Latins…considering the difference in numbers! The 16 million Latin Catholics of Canada, for example, only have two or three voting cardinals…
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Vico
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There is currently only two eastern Cardinal-Electors:All cardinals who are less than 80 years old participate in a papal election. It makes no difference whether the cardinal is an Eastern, Latin, or Oriental Catholic.
Coptic Cardinal Patriarch Naguib (2010.11.20) - age 76
Ukrainian Cardinal Major Archbishop emeritus Lubomyr Husar (2001.02.21) - age 77
And three other eastern Cardinals:
Syrian Cardinal Patriarch emeritus Ignace Daoud (2001.02.21) - age 81
Caldean Cardinal Patriarch Emmanue Delly (2007.11.24) - age 84
Maronite Cardinal Patriarch emeritus Nasrallah Sfeir (1994.11.26) - age 91
Did I miss any?
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ConstantineTG
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I thought the Melkite Patriarch was among them.There is currently only two eastern Cardinal-Electors:
Coptic Cardinal Patriarch Naguib (2010.11.20) - age 76
Ukrainian Cardinal Major Archbishop emeritus Lubomyr Husar (2001.02.21) - age 77
And three other eastern Cardinals:
Syrian Cardinal Patriarch emeritus Ignace Daoud (2001.02.21) - age 81
Caldean Cardinal Patriarch Emmanue Delly (2007.11.24) - age 84
Maronite Cardinal Patriarch emeritus Nasrallah Sfeir (1994.11.26) - age 91
Did I miss any?
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Diakonia
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Patriarch Maximos V declined the cardinalate on several occasions, though he finally acquiesed reluctantly. His Beatitude Gregorios has likewise declined the ‘honor’. It is the opinion of the Melkite Patriarchs that it is inappropriate for a Patriarch to accept the dignity of ‘Cardinal’, as it ranks below that of Patriarch.
The opinion expressed above by Hesychios accurately reflects, also, the opinion of the Melkite Patriarchate on the matter. Other Eastern and Oriental hierarchs obviously feel differently on he matter, since several have accepted the red hat.
But, despite that several have accepted it, the following statement is absolutely incorrect. As far as I am aware, no patriiarch or major archeparch has made any such contention.
The opinion expressed above by Hesychios accurately reflects, also, the opinion of the Melkite Patriarchate on the matter. Other Eastern and Oriental hierarchs obviously feel differently on he matter, since several have accepted the red hat.
But, despite that several have accepted it, the following statement is absolutely incorrect. As far as I am aware, no patriiarch or major archeparch has made any such contention.
The Eastern patriarchs and major archbishops actually are contending that by virtue of their office they have to be part of the conclave, without necessarily being made a Cardinal.
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Little_Boy_Lost
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I thought this proposal was put forward at the Synod of the Middle East recently?Patriarch Maximos V declined the cardinalate on several occasions, though he finally acquiesed reluctantly. His Beatitude Gregorios has likewise declined the ‘honor’. It is the opinion of the Melkite Patriarchs that it is inappropriate for a Patriarch to accept the dignity of ‘Cardinal’, as it ranks below that of Patriarch.
The opinion expressed above by Hesychios accurately reflects, also, the opinion of the Melkite Patriarchate on the matter. Other Eastern and Oriental hierarchs obviously feel differently on he matter, since several have accepted the red hat.
But, despite that several have accepted it, the following statement is absolutely incorrect. As far as I am aware, no patriiarch or major archeparch has made any such contention.
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Vico
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The current fathers of the eastern Catholic Churches, in the Congregation for Eastern Churches are below, two are cardinals:I thought the Melkite Patriarch was among them.
HB Patriarch Ignace Youssif III Younan (Syrian)
HBE Patriarch Cardinal Antonios Naguib (Coptic)
HB Major Archbishop Sviatoslav Schevchuk (Ukrainian)
HB Patriarch Gregorios III Laham (Melkite)
HB Patriarch Béchara Pierre Raï (Maronite)
HBE Patriarch Cardinal Emmanuel III Delly (Chaldean)
HB Major Archbishop George Allencherry (Syro-Malabar)
HB Patriarch Nersès Bédros XIX Tarmouni (Armenian)
HB Major Archbishop Baselios Cleemis Thottunkal (Syro-Malankar)
HB Major Archbishop Lucian Mureşan (Romanian)
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Matthew_Holford
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I agree with you for the most part. However, as the Bishop of Rome is the head of all the Catholic churches do you not think it is appropriate that they all should have a vote?Actually, bishops should not be voting on the primate of another synod, it is a bad precedent. Latin bishops should not have a vote on the Primate of Antioch, Antiochian bishops should not have a vote on the Primate of Alexandria, and Alexandrian bishops should not have a vote on the Primate of Rome. They need to stay out of each other’s business, it does violence to the ancient canonical order of the church and among other things the eastern churches are always going to suffer for it in the end.
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Hesychios
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No.I agree with you for the most part. However, as the Bishop of Rome is the head of all the Catholic churches do you not think it is appropriate that they all should have a vote?
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Matthew_Holford
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Why not?
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Hesychios
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The church is not a representative government. If God intended the church at the city of Rome to have the Supreme Pontiff, then the church at the city of Rome should select the man, just as they did in the first generations.Why not?
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twf
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Technically the clergy of the city of Rome, as per ancient tradition, still do elect their bishop. You may say its just “legal fiction”, but all of the cardinals are Roman clergy in addition to whatever other office(s) they hold…it is for this reason that all cardinals are assigned a parish church in the Diocese of Rome. That being said, I’m not sure if this applies to the Eastern cardinals. Does anyone know?The church is not a representative government. If God intended the church at the city of Rome to have the Supreme Pontiff, then the church at the city of Rome should select the man, just as they did in the first generations.
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Hesychios
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I understand your point, especially since the college of Cardinals was something of a restriction of the voting members of the local synod to a smaller select group (which makes some sense when the local church is growing). But then the naming or foreigners to the college was something of a sea change in ecclesiological thinking.Technically the clergy of the city of Rome, as per ancient tradition, still do elect their bishop. You may say its just “legal fiction”, but all of the cardinals are Roman clergy in addition to whatever other office(s) they hold…it is for this reason that all cardinals are assigned a parish church in the Diocese of Rome. That being said, I’m not sure if this applies to the Eastern cardinals. Does anyone know?
One can’t be a member of two synods at the same time. It can be argued (I’m not asserting this at present, but I am suggesting the possibility) that it is as wrong as holding multiple Sees.
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Matthew_Holford
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It does not apply to Eastern cardinals. They are not counted a part of the Roman clergy. They do not take a Roman church as a title. They use their patriarchal title as their cardinalatial one.Technically the clergy of the city of Rome, as per ancient tradition, still do elect their bishop. You may say its just “legal fiction”, but all of the cardinals are Roman clergy in addition to whatever other office(s) they hold…it is for this reason that all cardinals are assigned a parish church in the Diocese of Rome. That being said, I’m not sure if this applies to the Eastern cardinals. Does anyone know?
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ConstantineTG
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If the Pope will have any type of authority and influence over the Eastern Churches, then surely the Eastern Patriarchs/Major Archbishops should have a vote in.
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