Eastern Catholics defending Orthodoxy vs Roman Catholics

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well the Latin Church has changed a lot over the past 1000 years. While both Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox are “orthodox”. Which is why they are cautious. Both EO and OOs are closer to each other now, than the Latin church.

heck, post Vatican II the Latin church has accepted the “charismatic” movement and other such movements that are part of Protestantism. I get the feeling the Latin Church is more interested in bringing back Protestants back into the church as they are the larger group.
 
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And we perceive St. Amrbose as a Saint. Yet as we disagree with St. Photius in some things, we disagree with St. Ambrose’s erroneous opinion that baptism in one of the Trinity is valid. Being Saint does not make one infallible as even Orthodox would agree.
 
Alexandria2020 said:
Islam is a different religion completely. And it was not born in the Byzantine Empire. It was born in Arabia.

your argument doesn’t really add up. comparing apples to oranges.
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I am not advocating the position. I said I have seen it argued, which I have. I have no ability or desire to re-create the argument.
 
Alexandria2020 said:
I get the feeling the Latin Church is more interested in bringing back Protestants back into the church as they are the larger group.
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I don’t know that’s true, but the Protestant numbers are greatly larger than the number of Orthodox in the world.
 
Alexandria2020 said:
and so the priority of the Latin Church would obviously be Protestants of course.
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Priority of Latin Church or Catholic Church as a whole is entire humanity. Protestants are Western in their thinking and therefore our interactions with them tend to be perceived as better. Meanwhile every single time in history Latin Church tries to converse with the East it ends up with huge Schism in the East, some Churches going Catholic and rest hating on Catholics and saying how those attempts were forced. So it makes sense Catholic Church now tries to make Eastern Catholics bridge to the East while maintaining Latin Church as bridge to the West (but that is not even remotely close to success).
 
OrbisNonSufficit said:
Latin Church as bridge to the West (but that is not even remotely close to success).
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I think I would have to disagree with that. As Flannery O’Connor said, (and I believe her) the future greatest source of converts in the U.S. will be among southern fundamentalists. In my own parishes that’s absolutely true. We get a fair number of converts/year and almost all from fundamentalist groups. As O’Connor also said, southern fundamentalists would be surprised to learn that their beliefs are closer to those of the Catholic Church than to classic protestantism. And it’s true.
 
Sure, but large-scale reconciliation is all that Rome wants from Eastern Orthodoxy now. Hierarchy seems to dislike “uniatism” as a model and it even shuns proselytism. I doubt there will be large-scale full-on reuniting of Churches in the West (with Protestants or Sedevacantists). I don’t doubt many will convert and praise God for that.
 
OrbisNonSufficit said:
Protestants are Western in their thinking and therefore our interactions with them tend to be perceived as better.
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a fact noted by many traditionalists in my EC church. they seem to see many Protestants and Latins as “similar” in thinking.
 
Alexandria2020 said:
a fact noted by many traditionalists in my EC church. they seem to see many Protestants and Latins as “similar” in thinking.
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We have similar terminology and concepts. It’s just a matter of point of view. Though East is much more closer to Latins in terms of substance than Protestants are, obviously.

For example it was norm to call Liturgy “Mass” in Latin West. When Latins speak about Eastern Liturgy and use Mass, it is basically speaking in their own terms (which are imperfect when addressing Eastern Liturgy of course) of East… but that is perceived as bad and taboo. West interacting with East tends to be shunned by the East itself. However when East speaks of West in their own terms, that’s all alright and fine just because West can take it. It’s obvious why Catholic Church tries to use East-East and West-West discussions to abandon Schism.
 
I think the pattern would necessarily be different because there is a tacit “non-proselytism” policy in the Catholic Church toward the Orthodox. With protestantism that isn’t the case, notwithstanding a fairly small “Anglo-Catholic” incorporation into Catholicism.
 
Simply, help them to appreciate their Eastern Catholic brothers and sisters more.
 
And the Syro Malabar church hasn’t even asked the Vatican if we could venerate Eastern fathers like Mar Sabor and Mar Proth, Mar Abraham, Mar Joseph Sulaqa, Mar Abdisho, Mar Theodore, Mar Babai, Mar Abraham the Khoskar, Mar Zaia, Mar Sargis and Mar Bacchus, and such…but either way, I don’t think you need recognition for private veneration though…I pray to Parumala Thirumeni and Yeldho Mar Baselios all the time and everyone knows they are not Catholic saints but rather Jacobite saints.
 
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Elvis_George said:
And the Syro Malabar church hasn’t even asked the Vatican if we could venerate Eastern fathers
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many traditionalists within EC churches venerate many Eastern saints not recognized by the Latin Church. because the Eastern concept of canonization is different from the Latin Church’s.
 
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Alexandria2020 said:
many traditionalists within EC churches venerate many Eastern saints not recognized by the Latin Church. because the Eastern concept of canonization is different from the Latin Church’s.
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but again we should have at least ask the Vatican like the greek Catholics
 
I’ve found most Romans have no idea there’s 23 other Catholic churches. I think it’s going to start with humility. The most zealous trads and devout orthodox tend to hold an extreme pride in their respective church and faith and this isn’t inherently bad. This pride and zeal can often make us blind to what the truth and it prevents us from reconciling. I think when each side looks to humble themselves and listen to each other, we can heal the schism. Or elect a pope from the eastern cardinals.
 
The specific heretical group of Christians with which Mohammad had contact has been identified by his descriptions (more accurately, misdescriptions) of Christian belief.

mohamadism, mormonism, and JWs are variations of the arian heresy.
 
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