Eastern Catholics & Real Presence

[Expatreprocedit]

Bread and wine vs. Body and Blood of Christ is a false dilemma. Christ was both God and man, and the blessed elements can be both the Body and Blood of Christ and still bread and wine. This was exactly the view of Justin Martyr and St. Irenaeus. What is important is that the consecrated elements are no longer ordinary bread and wine, but are also the Body and Blood of Christ.

 

[Iconodule]

Bread and wine vs. Body and Blood of Christ is a false dilemma. Christ was both God and man, and the blessed elements can be both the Body and Blood of Christ and still bread and wine. This was exactly the view of Justin Martyr and St. Irenaeus. What is important is that the consecrated elements are no longer ordinary bread and wine, but are also the Body and Blood of Christ.

One of my Eastern Catholic priest once said during a faith formation class - something along the lines of “Consecration does not make the bread and wine into something that they are not, but reveals them to be what they truly are.”

 

[Expatreprocedit]

One of my Eastern Catholic priest once said during a faith formation class - something along the lines of “Consecration does not make the bread and wine into something that they are not, but reveals them to be what they truly are.”

 

[dochawk]

That’s correct, and the Mystery of Faith is unique to the Latin Rite Mass.

That’s OK; it’s one of only something like two without an Epiclesis [The Roman canon lacks an explicit epiclesis; the newer Eucharistic Prayers have on]

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[Ignatius]

That’s correct, and the Mystery of Faith is unique to the Latin Rite Mass.

Yes, Mark1124 was answering the Merrick’s op question “I’ve heard that Eastern Catholics still refer to the Body and Blood in the Sacrament as bread and wine sometimes and in the liturgy? Is this true?” He answered that Latin Catholics do as well and gave the Mystery of Faith prayer as an example.

 

[Merrick]

Bread and wine vs. Body and Blood of Christ is a false dilemma. Christ was both God and man, and the blessed elements can be both the Body and Blood of Christ and still bread and wine. This was exactly the view of Justin Martyr and St. Irenaeus. What is important is that the consecrated elements are no longer ordinary bread and wine, but are also the Body and Blood of Christ.

This is exactly what I was asking about.

I am not sure how my question could have caused any offense or had any similarity to asking if Eastern Catholics celebrate Christmas unless it was simply unclear.

The above quote tends to be how I understand it, especially because of the Christological implications. I have heard other Orthodox explain it in this way as well.

 

[Vico]

I’ve heard that Eastern Catholics still refer to the Body and Blood in the Sacrament as bread and wine sometimes and in the liturgy? Is this true?

I don’t have a problem affirming change in the bread and wine or that it is the body and blood but I am very uncomfortable when people say the bread and wine are annihilated or cease to exist. This does not seem right, not how God treats the creation He loves. If there is not a thingness we can call bread and a thingness we can call wine, in the Incarnation why can we not say that the humanity was transformed into God and only the accidents remained? It would be the same concept.

How do the Eastern Catholics view this?

These terms are used: Holy Gifts, Holy Bread. And in the Our Father, just before reception of Communion: Give us this day, our daily Bread.

CCC 2837 … The Eucharist is our daily bread. The power belonging to this divine food makes it a bond of union. Its effect is then understood as unity, so that, gathered into his Body and made members of him, we may become what we receive. …