Eastern Catholics - what do you admire about the Latin Rite?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Polycarp86
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Thanks for these suggestions. I’ve heard good things about “Toward God”, yet haven’t had a good reminder (until now) to prompt me to order a copy.
I’ll be curious as to your thoughts if you end up reading it.
I first learned to pray from my Mom and Grandmother, both devout Roman Catholics, and enjoy having a “bi-ritual” prayer life.
You are fortunate to have had that influence growing up. I came to God and his Church only a couple of years ago and often feel that I struggle to know how to pray. I think that is why I have been so interested in looking into the different spiritual traditions of the Church.
There is beauty in all the traditions of the Catholic Church, and that’s the point, as Blessed Pope John Paul II and others have reminded us.
Indeed. I could not agree more.
 
The Latin Rite seems to cater to a younger crown more than the Byzntine Rite. So I think that is great. I find it harder to be a Byzantine Catholic for this reason but I do think it is important to remain part of it and I am actively involved with my parish.

If the Byzantine rite did a better job at catering to the younger crowd then maybe they woudn’t be losing as many members as they are. Just a thought.
 
Despite the ongoing reversal of trends that brought such into Eastern Catholic Churches to begin with, one can still find statues in some of our Churches.
There may still statues in some ECCs but as the page where that image came from states, that picture you’ve posted was taken in the early 1970s when the Wonder-working Icon of Kazan was in the church and venerated. I began in the parish long after Fr Karl reposed. I don’t know how long the statue was in the church but it hasn’t been in there for decades. It may have been there only during that veneration of the Kazan Icon or it may have been there longer, I’ll ask if our oldest members recall. But in any case that photo would not be an example of where one can still find statues in an ECC, unless by “still” you mean the early 1970s. 🙂

In the years before our recent move that same space looked like this.🙂

P.S. Unrelated, in looking at the more recent photo I just realized the Icon of the Holy Trinity is missing. I wonder why. It normally was in the blank area on the south side, next to the choir, same size, same iconographer as the Icon of the Nativity visible on the north side. The same two Icons are in the reversed positions in our new location, which is still sometimes a bit disorienting to me. 🙂
 
There may still statues in some ECCs but as the page where that image came from states, that picture you’ve posted was taken in the early 1970s when the Wonder-working Icon of Kazan was in the church and venerated.
I realized that picture was dated, but the trend still continues. I’ve seen several videos even over the last few weeks of HDLs and new church consecrations in the Ukraine (Ruthenian and Ukrainian jurisdictions) where statues were prominently displayed in the nave. I could not find any still images. That said, here’s one such video (UCGG 2011), of a hierarchical Divine Liturgy at an established parish, with the first statues appearing just after the 2:30 mark (in front of the icons of Christ and the Theotokos).
 
Whats the difference between a statue and the artwork which is amazing? Its all veneration.
 
I realized that picture was dated, but the trend still continues. I’ve seen several videos even over the last few weeks of HDLs and new church consecrations in the Ukraine (Ruthenian and Ukrainian jurisdictions) where statues were prominently displayed in the nave. I could not find any still images. That said, here’s one such video (UCGG 2011), of a hierarchical Divine Liturgy at an established parish, with the first statues appearing just after the 2:30 mark (in front of the icons of Christ and the Theotokos).
As I said there may well be statues in some other ECCs. I do recall in a YouTube film of one of the large ECCs here in the US, maybe a cathedral, there was a huge Divine Mercy painting on the northern wall. I know from having heard their former abbot preach twice and from friends who have visited the monastery, that Holy Transfiguration Monastery AKA Mt Tabor Monastery here in CA seems to have an active devotion to many Latin traditions, tho I don’t know if those are physically present there in their temple. I think a friend who recently visited would have mentioned it if they were. He did mention other “Latinizations” at the Monastery.
 
Whats the difference between a statue and the artwork which is amazing? Its all veneration.
It is - it’s just not in line with Byzantine tradition. It is really an “issue” only when statues (Western tradition) are used instead of icons (Eastern tradition), which may have been the case decades back but not today. Clearly not the case in the instances I’ve seen of late and mentioned, yet I did find it intriguing that statues were still being placed in new churches, considering the current mode of traditional thought and guidance from Rome.
 
I’ve noticed a trend in some places for Romans to put icon-like images behind a matching statue… as in, an icon of the BVM, with a matching posture statue in front.

The handful of ECC parishes I’ve been to have all been Ruthenian, and one of them did this outside… But the pastor also complained of Romans and his fight with further latinzation by parishioners.
 
As I said there may well be statues in some other ECCs. I do recall in a YouTube film of one of the large ECCs here in the US, maybe a cathedral, there was a huge Divine Mercy painting on the northern wall. I know from having heard their former abbot preach twice and from friends who have visited the monastery, that Holy Transfiguration Monastery AKA Mt Tabor Monastery here in CA seems to have an active devotion to many Latin traditions, tho I don’t know if those are physically present there in their temple. I think a friend who recently visited would have mentioned it if they were. He did mention other “Latinizations” at the Monastery.
When I visited Mt. Tabor a couple of years ago, I was very surprised to discover that they celebrate the Feast of St. Joseph on March 19. I don’t remember the exact reason, but I think it was in honor of the founder of the monastery.
 
What do you guys do at Latin churches? Do you still cross right to left, bow before the altar instead of genuflecting, etc., or do you slip into the Latin customs “when in Rome” (literally)?
 
What do you guys do at Latin churches? Do you still cross right to left, bow before the altar instead of genuflecting, etc., or do you slip into the Latin customs “when in Rome” (literally)?
I do the eastern profound bow, in a Latin Church. I genuflect at the pew; and still cross myself right to left. Other than that, I do everything else Latin-wise.
 
What do you guys do at Latin churches? Do you still cross right to left, bow before the altar instead of genuflecting, etc., or do you slip into the Latin customs “when in Rome” (literally)?
First, Latin Catholics should be bowing to the altar and genuflecting to the tabernacle.

I bow to the tabernacle but cross myself left-to-right.

But then I am an odd duck.



As I am a Byzantine (Ruthenian) who is a member of a Latin religious order.

So when in the Latin world I do everything as they would (except for genuflecting but that is more because of my bad knees than my stressing my Easterness) and when in the East I do as they do.

Privately I always cross myself right-to-left even when doing Latin things (Liturgy of the Hours and such).
 
What do you guys do at Latin churches? Do you still cross right to left, bow before the altar instead of genuflecting, etc., or do you slip into the Latin customs “when in Rome” (literally)?
Abide Latin tradition as respectfully as possible (yes, “when in Rome”).
 
What do you guys do at Latin churches? Do you still cross right to left, bow before the altar instead of genuflecting, etc., or do you slip into the Latin customs “when in Rome” (literally)?
I cross right-to-left (honestly, I don’t think anyone notices) and bow instead of genuflecting, although if it were not for my back problems, I would genuflect.
 
What do you guys do at Latin churches? Do you still cross right to left, bow before the altar instead of genuflecting, etc., or do you slip into the Latin customs “when in Rome” (literally)?
When I was not yet Catholic, I had attended a Latin Mass with a close friend who is Latin Catholic. During the Eucharistic Liturgy, I had closed my eyes so I could better listen to the words of the priest. At one point I opened my eyes, and to my embarrassment, I was the only one standing and everyone else was kneeling! :o :o :o

I got mad at my friend (in a joking manner, of course) for not telling me to kneel with the rest of the people, and he had a good laugh about it. I guess at that point in time, there were some Latin congregations that stood and some congregations that knelt during the Eucharistic prayer. So that mitigated my embarrassment, knowing that it was not completely out of place at a Latin Catholic Mass.😃 However, my friend did inform me that since the Mass is a communal celebration, you should do as the rest of the congregation does, especially in instances where the action is rather obvious. No one will really notice which sign of the cross you use, but standing in a sea of people who are kneeling? 😊

Blessings,
Marduk
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top