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smad0142
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The Roman Catholis have the Roman Ritual. How do the Eastern Catholics go about performing exorcisms?
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Little_Boy_Lost
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Wow. I was just thinking about asking a similar question tonight following a documentary I just saw.
I know there are the prayers for the catechumens at baptism. But there are also several prayers attributed to Saint John Chrysostom and Saint Basil the Great in the “Book of Needs” or the Euchologion.
I don’t know if these prayers consist of the “Rite of Exorcism” for the Byzantine Church.
I’d also like to know what exorcism is like in the Oriental and Assyrian traditions.
I know there are the prayers for the catechumens at baptism. But there are also several prayers attributed to Saint John Chrysostom and Saint Basil the Great in the “Book of Needs” or the Euchologion.
I don’t know if these prayers consist of the “Rite of Exorcism” for the Byzantine Church.
I’d also like to know what exorcism is like in the Oriental and Assyrian traditions.
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smad0142
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I just saw the documentary on discovery channel.
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Little_Boy_Lost
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Awesome. On that exorcism in '49?
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OrdinaryMelkite
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I don’t know about ECers, but if you want to know about Eastern Orthodox Exorcisms, there are a wonderful set of videos on YouTube featuring Coptic Priest Makary Yunan doing Mass exorcisms for Copts and Muslims alike in Egypt. Just type “Coptic Orthodox Priest” or “Copt Priest Exorcism” or something to that effect and you will find what you are looking for. Something to see, definitely.
And Yunan does it even to Muslims who have been refused help by their own religion. A very Holy, Powerfully Spiritual Man.
And Yunan does it even to Muslims who have been refused help by their own religion. A very Holy, Powerfully Spiritual Man.
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Alexander_Roman
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There is an EC Lesser Rite of Exorcism that “My Saviour” has and it was published by the Ukrainian Redemptorists.
I know about it because I participated in it with my brother when we were about ten years of age.
Our dad made the mistake of holding a seance in our family home using a ouija board.
To give you an indication of how bad a thing this is, a year later we started to hear voices in the hallway on the third floor where my brother and I slept and on the other side were our parents.
Then, one night at around 3:00 am the lights in our room came on, and the furniture, including our beds, started to move around the room. Then clothing began to float in mid-air, my brother got on his hands and knees and crawled out of the room.
The clothing then all came at me, being twisted like ropes and pinned me to the bed from my neck down to my feet - all very neatly. I could feel that something was trying to tie the clothing in a knot under the bed.
I then looked up at our icon of Our Lady of Perpetual Help and the pressure of the clothing was immediately released. I remember having to really shake off all the clothing that was on me before I could escape to my parents’ bedroom where my brother was sobbing uncontrollably.
Our parents thought we had played a prank and we were scolded at first.
But later a priest was called in who did the Lesser Exorcism where we knelt before our beds and drank holy water from bowls etc.
We were never bothered again.
I am living at a new home where we do get hit by poltergeist activity every time we do even a minor home renovation (three times since November 7, 2002).
Aspersing the place with holy water takes care of it. I was also on a television program called “Ghostly Encounters” where the whole thing is retold by me and replayed by child actors . . .
tv.msn.com/tv/episode/ghostly-encounters/refuge-in-ritual/
Happy Hallowe’en!!
Alex
I know about it because I participated in it with my brother when we were about ten years of age.
Our dad made the mistake of holding a seance in our family home using a ouija board.
To give you an indication of how bad a thing this is, a year later we started to hear voices in the hallway on the third floor where my brother and I slept and on the other side were our parents.
Then, one night at around 3:00 am the lights in our room came on, and the furniture, including our beds, started to move around the room. Then clothing began to float in mid-air, my brother got on his hands and knees and crawled out of the room.
The clothing then all came at me, being twisted like ropes and pinned me to the bed from my neck down to my feet - all very neatly. I could feel that something was trying to tie the clothing in a knot under the bed.
I then looked up at our icon of Our Lady of Perpetual Help and the pressure of the clothing was immediately released. I remember having to really shake off all the clothing that was on me before I could escape to my parents’ bedroom where my brother was sobbing uncontrollably.
Our parents thought we had played a prank and we were scolded at first.
But later a priest was called in who did the Lesser Exorcism where we knelt before our beds and drank holy water from bowls etc.
We were never bothered again.
I am living at a new home where we do get hit by poltergeist activity every time we do even a minor home renovation (three times since November 7, 2002).
Aspersing the place with holy water takes care of it. I was also on a television program called “Ghostly Encounters” where the whole thing is retold by me and replayed by child actors . . .
tv.msn.com/tv/episode/ghostly-encounters/refuge-in-ritual/
Happy Hallowe’en!!
Alex
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dcointin
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That’s absolutely fascinating! I have the opportunity to visit the house here in St. Louis where boy lived that the movie “The Exorcist” was based on this Halloween. My girlfriend and I politely declined, though I admit part of me was initially interested.
The closest experience I’ve had to anything paranormal also involved a Ouija board. My brother was hanging out with some friends when they decided to play with one. He thought it was nonsense, so he asked his friends the name of his “familiar”, which he understood to be a demon that tempts each person individually. They gave him a name that he had never heard before. When he told me the story afterward, he couldn’t remember the name they had given, but said it rhymed with something, and a name came into my mind that I suggested. He said that was the name (again not a name like “William” or something common, it was a name I had never heard before), and was frightened. To this day I remember the name, and don’t like to repeat it, or think about how that name came into my mind.
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Alexander_Roman
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Yes - it is all frightening and it is serious business, not to be trifled with.
Even Wiccans are afraid of ouija boards since they pick up “vagante” spirits or so they say.
Parents of the kids I teach religion to (really a “faith and culture” class) sometimes call me to tell me about strange things that happen in their homes (things moving around, disappearing, falling, turning off).
I always ask them if they ever had or used a ouija board. Nine times out of ten, the answer is “yes.” I then advise them to get rid of it, if they still have it in their homes and then to call a priest to bless and asperse their homes (they can and should bless their homes this way immediately).
The Orthodox tradition has this prayer for lay blessing:
This (name object) is blessed with the holy Sign of the Cross in the Name of the Father + and of the Son + and of the Holy Spirit +. Amen
We should always keep our blessed Cross on our necks and carry an icon etc.
Soldiers should never go into battle unarmed!
Alex
Even Wiccans are afraid of ouija boards since they pick up “vagante” spirits or so they say.
Parents of the kids I teach religion to (really a “faith and culture” class) sometimes call me to tell me about strange things that happen in their homes (things moving around, disappearing, falling, turning off).
I always ask them if they ever had or used a ouija board. Nine times out of ten, the answer is “yes.” I then advise them to get rid of it, if they still have it in their homes and then to call a priest to bless and asperse their homes (they can and should bless their homes this way immediately).
The Orthodox tradition has this prayer for lay blessing:
This (name object) is blessed with the holy Sign of the Cross in the Name of the Father + and of the Son + and of the Holy Spirit +. Amen
We should always keep our blessed Cross on our necks and carry an icon etc.
Soldiers should never go into battle unarmed!
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dcointin
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The cross that I wear hasn’t been blessed, is that something I should speak to my priest about? Also, are icons usually blessed? Is there anything else you would suggest? I’d like to do whatever possible to ‘protect’ my house so to speak. Thanks!
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Shin
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You want to put a blessed crucifix on the exterior doors, and have some St. Benedict medals, four of these buried at the four corners of the house, and some on hand otherwise simply to keep about or give as gifts.
The St. Benedict medals need to be blessed with more than a simple sign of the cross, the full blessing as can be found in the Roman Ritual. One can find them already blessed from some places like the Rose Scapular, or find a traditional priest who has the Roman Ritual. The St. Benedict medal blessing is an exorcism blessing so very protective.
There’re novenas one can say to have one’s house blessed, and one can ask a priest over to bless the house too, which is particularly helpful.
When you wear a cross you definitely should have a priest bless it.
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Little_Boy_Lost
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Can you bless a ouiji board? = P
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Shin
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Isn’t that more suitable for kindling?
Can’t get the person who has it to get rid of it or something?
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5Loaves
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Fr. Karl Patzelt who served at my parish before my time was an exorcist. As one of the priests trained in the Russicum I don’t know whether he would have used an Eastern or Latin form when functioning as an exorcist. (We Russian ECs are under the Latin Ordinary, thus the comment that “He was chosen to serve as the Archdiocesan exorcist.”
This was posted on another forum some time ago by an anonymous.
This was posted on another forum some time ago by an anonymous.
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Shin
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Which makes me wonder, what is out there in regards to exorcisms and blessings for objects in the East?
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Alexander_Roman
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Yes, you should get it blessed and the Orthodox Church has a beautiful rite of blessing one’s neck Cross - it often entails leaving the Cross on the tetrapod for the duration of an entire Divine Liturgy before it is blessed.
Icons should be blessed as well and so should our domiciles. Making the Sign of the Cross frequently throughout the day is a good practice, upon entering and leaving one’s home, church and other places especially. Keeping Holy Water (and other things like Blessed Bread) in the home is always good - if I run out of Holy Water, I go right out to get some more.
Believe me . . .
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Alexander_Roman
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Dear Friend,
I assume you ask this in all seriousness, so I will respond in all seriousness.
We cannot bless anything that is intended to try and connect with the evil of the next world. That just doesn’t work at all.
Such things (which can now be bought at “Toys R Us”) should be burned or buried.
In Russia and Ukraine which was under the evil of soviet communism for so many years, there are satanic cults that affect people via possession and the like.
Some years back I was at a wedding where a man, a recent immigrant, kept mumbling things under his breath. They were evil, blasphemous things and he was taken to the priest for aspersing, minor exorcism etc.
One person also had an object from Eastern Europe on their person that had clear satanic symbols on it. The priest told her to bury it or otherwise burn it.
We must stay away from all such things, especially ouija boards as we only ask for the GRAVEST of trouble when we fool around with them. My brother and I paid the price for our dad’s messing with a ouija board. The evil one doesn’t care who he attacks once he is invited in . . .
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Shin
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Yes, this is a good warning. I remember once as a little boy, I went with my father to Toys R Us to get gifts for my birthday – and I was into board games at the time, so I grabbed a few.
This was one of the things I grabbed! a Ouiji board. Thankfully my father asked me if I knew what it was, which I had no idea of in fact, I was just taking whatever looked interesting – and then he put it back on the shelf.
Deo gratias! But what of all the children who are not so helped?
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Alexander_Roman
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That is a good question.
If we ever have an opportunity to admonish children about these things - we should never miss an opportunity.
I do so regularly in my religion class. What I always find interesting is that the students share what we talk about in class with their parents and parents invariably approach me later to ask about the ouija board and the “occurrences” happening in their homes as a result.
Alex
If we ever have an opportunity to admonish children about these things - we should never miss an opportunity.
I do so regularly in my religion class. What I always find interesting is that the students share what we talk about in class with their parents and parents invariably approach me later to ask about the ouija board and the “occurrences” happening in their homes as a result.
Alex
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searn77
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He was just kidding, hence the "
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dcointin
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I’ve never used a Ouija board, but Wikipedia describes its in this way: “It uses a planchette (small heart-shaped piece of wood) or movable indicator to indicate the spirit’s message by spelling it out on the board during a séance.” Is a seance a normal part of Ouija board use? How do most people use it?
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