Eastern Orthodox - Do they belong in the NC Forum???

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Though I voted “no;” I think that the Orthodox posters here can post where ever they like.
 
paradoxy said:
NO, we don’t!

The Orthodox-Catholic dialogue is important, specific and active enough for its own forum, as was amply demonstrated.

Somehow, as an EO, I don’t feel like I’m still welcome at CAF… 😦
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I think many people still welcome you, so, keep reading and posting. Otherwise, people here will never know what you have to say!
 
wannabee said:
Why do RCs feel so threatened by the Eastern ooooh I wonder if the few Orientals are included in this hybrid Non-catholic Forum :confused: ] ?
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I disagree that RCs feel threatened by the Eastern. If they were, they would be celebrating the changes that were made to the forums but as you can see the vast majority of Latin Catholics want the Eastern Christianity Forum back.
 
SiempreFiel said:
I disagree that RCs feel threatened by the Eastern. If they were, they would be celebrating the changes that were made to the forums but as you can see the vast majority of Latin Catholics want the Eastern Christianity Forum back.
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I think the real reason for this change is that CAF at present doesn’t feel that they have the ability to sufficiently moderate the quantity and kind of discussion that the Eastern Christianity forum was generating at the same time as trying to provide a forum specifically for Eastern Catholics. Their responses to suggestions made (at the Suggestion Box forum) that there should be an EO sub-forum have basically been, “Thanks for the suggestion – we don’t have the resources to moderate any additional forums right now”.
 
i stopped reading the eastern christianity forum because it was so depressingly one-sided. i felt all the ecumenism was on the catholic (RC) side. the orthodox there were intimidating and hostile to catholicism, my spiritual home and to the pope, our holy father.

on the other hand, that’s reality. it was a rude awakening but i’m glad i’m no longer looking at the world through rose-colored glasses.
 
Prometheum_x said:
I think the real reason for this change is that CAF at present doesn’t feel that they have the ability to sufficiently moderate the quantity and kind of discussion that the Eastern Christianity forum was generating at the same time as trying to provide a forum specifically for Eastern Catholics. Their responses to suggestions made (at the Suggestion Box forum) that there should be an EO sub-forum have basically been, “Thanks for the suggestion – we don’t have the resources to moderate any additional forums right now”.
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I very much doubt the move was intended as a slight to EOOOs or to Eastern Catholics. I haven’t voted, however, because I am conflicted on this issue. I used to be quite active on the EO forum, but eventually withdrew due to lack of time (and some frustration at the deeply ingrained anti-Catholicism that seemed to infuse the majority, albeit far from all, of the Orthodox contributions).

I do see one great advantage, however, in the forums being merged, as more Protestants will get the opportunity to witness just how much the ancient Churches share in common, and how typical Catholic beliefs and practices they routinely condemn are not “Papal inventions or innovations”. Conversely, both Catholics and Orthodox will get to see how much their discourse revolves around the “narcissism of minor differences” when compared to that with Protestants.

Perhaps the merged forum should be relabelled “Other Faiths” or some other such (possibly even more) neutral title.

Irenicist
 
Christ is with Us!

No I do not want Eastern Christianity on non Catholic forum.

I thought it was good to have a place for the romans and easterns to meet. Most of the time I could be sure I would not have to wade through some post with alot of protestant theology iregardless the topic. It took me 40 years to get that out of my mind and I don’t want it mixed in a good discussion.
 
I’m Orthodox. Voted NO.

Anyone ever hear of www.byzcath.net ? An Eastern Catholic (as in communion with Rome type of Catholic) web-site with, guess what, a forum! It’s been around a long time, but compared to the deceased EC forum here, not really all that active.

Oh well.

It was bad enough on the late EC forum to find threads that were interesting and vibrant. Scrolling through the NCR sub-forum, I’m reminded of a nightmare the details of which I have thankfully forgotten.

Oh well.

Blessings,
Jeff
 
I can see why some people are opposed to the change, but all the papacy threads can be rehashed and re-debated over and over again just as well in the Apologetics area. So can discussion of historical controversies, other doctrines like original sin, etc.

Besides the occasional news post (which usually devolved into one of the above) there wasn’t much else going on in that forum accept maybe Orthodox discussing their own issues amongst themselves–but that’s what Orthodox forums are for, right?
 
lak611 said:
A church that has valid sacraments should not be lumped in with ecclesial communities that do not have valid sacraments
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They aren’t. Dominus Iesus makes that perfectly clear
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Lak:
or with religions that are not even Christian.
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This one is false also.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html
 
tomarin said:
i stopped reading the eastern christianity forum because it was so depressingly one-sided. i felt all the ecumenism was on the catholic (RC) side. the orthodox there were intimidating and hostile to catholicism, my spiritual home and to the pope, our holy father.

on the other hand, that’s reality. it was a rude awakening but i’m glad i’m no longer looking at the world through rose-colored glasses.
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This describes my experience as well.

But I’ll add that it was primarily 3-4 of the Orthodox posters who made it so (not all of them). I’d vote to get the EC forum back if those 3-4 were banned. I think I stumbled across a few Orthodox who were not raving fanatics 🙂

Overall, my opinion of Orthodoxy which was very high originally has dropped through the floor after my “incursions” into what turned out to be enemy territory.
 
lak611 said:
Are you saying that Orthodox are not Christian? Would you say that Orthodox and Protestants are the same as Muslims or Buddhists?
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Where in the world did you get that idea?

I posted Dominus Iesus. Did you read it?
 
steve_b said:
Where in the world did you get that idea?

I posted Dominus Iesus. Did you read it?
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Yes. I didn’t know how to break up your quotes, quoting my quotes. I do not feel that Orthodox belong in the same forum as non-Christians, such as Muslims. Neither do Protestants. I would like to see subforums in Non-Catholic Religions: one for Orthodox, one for Protestant, and one for non-Christian.

I don’t see anything in the document that states that Orthodox sacraments are invalid. Their churches are referred to as churches, not ecclesial communities.
  1. Therefore, there exists a single Church of Christ, which subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him.58 The Churches which, while not existing in perfect communion with the Catholic Church, remain united to her by means of the closest bonds, that is, by apostolic succession and a valid Eucharist, are true particular Churches.59 Therefore, the Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even though they lack full communion with the Catholic Church, since they do not accept the Catholic doctrine of the Primacy, which, according to the will of God, the Bishop of Rome objectively has and exercises over the entire Church.
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vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html
 
lak611 said:
I would like to see subforums in Non-Catholic Religions: one for Orthodox, one for Protestant, and one for non-Christian.
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Then you’ll be having the same fight over the JWs, Mormons, certain Pentecostals and Salvation Army adherents whose baptisms (or lack thereof) make them non-Christians according to Catholic doctrine while they say they are Christians.
 
Woodstock said:
Then you’ll be having the same fight over the JWs, Mormons, certain Pentecostals and Salvation Army adherents whose baptisms (or lack thereof) make them non-Christians according to Catholic doctrine while they say they are Christians.
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That one is easy. No Trinitarian Baptism = non-Christian.
 
lak611 said:
That one is easy. No Trinitarian Baptism = non-Christian.
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Well, some would say it is just as easy to say no communion with Rome = non-Catholic as it is to tell a Mormon their trinitarian baptism doesn’t intend the same thing as the Church’s baptism so it isn’t recognized and they are therefore non-Christian despite their insistence to the contrary. And I’d like to see the response some Pentecostalist would have being told her baptism in the “name of Jesus” makes her a non-Christian!
 
Lets just tag Eastern Orthodox threads with the title: Non-Catholic Byzantiumism.
Really people, putting all non-catholics in the non-Catholic Forum makes perfect sense. Simple logic.
 
East_and_West said:
Lets just tag Eastern Orthodox threads with the title: Non-Catholic Byzantiumism.
Really people, putting all non-catholics in the non-Catholic Forum makes perfect sense. Simple logic.
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The problem is when people have a particular area that they are interested in. Someone who wants to participate in threads about Orthodoxy may not wish to scroll down past all the thread about Muslims. Another person may wish to participate in threads about Protestants, and may find it to be a chore scrolling down past all the threads about Orthodoxy. Not all posters are interested in threads about all non-Catholic religions. There should be a way to separate the types of non-Catholic religions.
 
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