Eastern Orthodox Saints who spoke against the Catholic Church

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As far as I know, the Catholic Church does not consider the Eastern Orthodox Church (Greek, Russian etc) as heretics. We share some common saints (pre-schism) and as far as I know some Catholics also honor or revere Orthodox saints.

I am well aware that the relationships between our Churches are not the best, however it has been much worse, especially when there was also some diplomacy issues between the Byzantine Empire and the Papacy.

Several enlightened persons canonised as Saints by the Orthodox Church had defended the Christian faith, monasticism and the holy tradition, including the tradition of their countries. However in that capacity they also spoke openly against the papacy, the Pope and the bad, evil, heretic and materialistic Western Europeans. (not exactly in these words)

So, is a non-Catholic saint still a saint?
 
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As far as I know, the Catholic Church does not consider the Eastern Orthodox Church (Greek, Russian etc) as heretics. We share some common saints (pre-schism) and as far as I know some Catholics also honor or revere Orthodox saints.

I am well aware that the relationships between our Churches are not the best, however it has been much worse, especially when there was also some diplomacy issues between the Byzantine Empire and the Papacy.

Several enlightened persons canonised as Saints by the Orthodox Church had defended the Christian faith, monasticism and the holy tradition, including the tradition of their countries. However in that capacity they also spoke openly against the papacy, the Pope and the bad, evil, heretic and materialistic Western Europeans. (not exactly in these words)

So, is a non-Catholic saint still a saint?
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All the saints are Catholic. Just because someone is not canonized by the Church that does not mean that he is not a saint. Saints did sin and some of them did quite horrible things but they are still saints, we know that from the lives of the Saints recognized by the Catholic Church.
 
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So, is a non-Catholic saint still a saint?
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Well a Saint’s supposed to be in Heaven, and Only God can judge on where Non-Catholics go when they die. We can’t say they’re in Heaven in Hell. So therefore no.
 
There are some post-Schism Orthodox Saints that spoke against the Papacy and are indeed Catholic Saints as well. One prominent example is St. Gregory Palamas who was an Orthodox monk in the 14th century. He spoke against the Papacy and the Filioque, but was a very Holy man and theologian, and his feast day is celebrated in the Melkite Catholic Church on the second Sunday of Lent.

Peace and God bless!
 
Eastern Catholics venerate many post schism saints. Simply put its easy for us to judge these holy men by political position they took against the west (often times they were right in their accusations though…) but that is just one aspect of their lives.
 
Xlainamo said:
As far as I know, the Catholic Church does not consider the Eastern Orthodox Church (Greek, Russian etc) as heretics. We share some common saints (pre-schism) and as far as I know some Catholics also honor or revere Orthodox saints.

I am well aware that the relationships between our Churches are not the best, however it has been much worse, especially when there was also some diplomacy issues between the Byzantine Empire and the Papacy.

Several enlightened persons canonised as Saints by the Orthodox Church had defended the Christian faith, monasticism and the holy tradition, including the tradition of their countries. However in that capacity they also spoke openly against the papacy, the Pope and the bad, evil, heretic and materialistic Western Europeans. (not exactly in these words)

So, is a non-Catholic saint still a saint?
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Budha is a saint according to Hindhu Traditions.
But not according to the Catholic Church.
 
One. Hinduism is not Christian and in no way analogous to the relationship between catholicism and orthodoxy.
Two, you may want to read the story of st. Josaphat and Barlaam.
 
Whoever is a Saint that passed away (church penitent or church triumphant), is part of the Communion of Saints.

Yes, many were sinners who spoke against the Church in life, but when they found Christ, they became Saints. St. Paul, when he was still called Saul, persecuted Christians in the beginning. However, when he found Christ he repented and is now considered to be one of the biggest Saints.

You ask if a “non-Catholic” saint is still a saint? Well the answer would be yes if you think about it. If someone is in Heaven or on their way to Heaven, they are Catholic and part of the Communion of Saints. Even if we are unsure if they made it or are on their way to making it to Heaven, if they are on this path, they are part of the Communion of Saints.
 
Xlainamo said:
As far as I know, the Catholic Church does not consider the Eastern Orthodox Church (Greek, Russian etc) as heretics. We share some common saints (pre-schism) and as far as I know some Catholics also honor or revere Orthodox saints.

I am well aware that the relationships between our Churches are not the best, however it has been much worse, especially when there was also some diplomacy issues between the Byzantine Empire and the Papacy.

Several enlightened persons canonised as Saints by the Orthodox Church had defended the Christian faith, monasticism and the holy tradition, including the tradition of their countries. However in that capacity they also spoke openly against the papacy, the Pope and the bad, evil, heretic and materialistic Western Europeans. (not exactly in these words)

So, is a non-Catholic saint still a saint?
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The Catholic Church recognizes the members of particular Churches of Eastern Orthodoxy as Orthodox Catholics. It seems to me that Blessed John Paul II and our current pope, Benedetto the Wise would both shake their heads sadly to see discussions of Orthodox issues being forced into a so-called non-Catholic venue. That’s for starters.

And the rest has been covered pretty well above. Saints are sinners too and no one saint in particular, save for the Mother of God, has ever reached anything approximating perfection in this life.
 
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