Eastern Patriarchs

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An Orthodox friend of mine says that the Catholic church must be wrong because the Pope split from 4 patriarchs. His logic is that 4 is better than one. How do I argue this?
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The Pope, (St.Peter and his successors to his seat as Bishop of Rome,) existed before their where Eastern Patriarchs.

How could Peter, or his successors, split from that which did not preceed them?

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true, but he may not follow this logic. Were the other patriarchs seen as equal to the pope? I don’t think so…but I do not have evidence. Even if I did, why would the patriarchs, who saw the pope as their head, split from him?
 
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An Orthodox friend of mine says that the Catholic church must be wrong because the Pope split from 4 patriarchs. His logic is that 4 is better than one. How do I argue this?
Thank you and God bless!
How many followed the Pope vs. how many followed the other patriarchs?
 
Allow me to suggest Steven Ray’s book: Upon this Rock.

You will see how the early church, and even the heretics did not question the primacy of Rome.

The part that struck me was the observations of people like Saints Athanasius, Basil, and Gregory who noticed that their eastern churches were peppered with heresies and schisms, while the church of Rome remained intact if not outright immune. They viewed this preservation from Schism and heresy as a sign that the see of Rome is truly the foundation of the Church.

Thal59
 
The Bishop of Rome ( term Pope was not always used) was considered the First amoung equals.

There is alot into church history and please understand that there was no cell phones, or no phones, no postage service, you could not fax and there was not even a printed bible.

So with all of that the churches of the east and west were not able to communicate on a regular basis and each Bishop of the Council was the head authority over his group. One did not rule over the other. Society and customs and even culture differented between east and west. And with that came many problems.

I would advice you read not only a book about the split from the Catholic view point, read also a book from the Orthodox view point. They do not fully agree on exactly how it happened.

I do agree that basicly the Orthodox Bishops would not go under the rule of the Bishop of Rome. If you read what the Orthodox writers havd to say you will at least understand what your friend is being taught.

I compaire it to reading about WWII from a Japanese history book, a German history book, a french history book or a US history book, they will not fully agree on all aspects of the war.

It is like the statue of Benedict Arnold, to the English he was a hero, to America he was a tratior.
 
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CorrWaveClan:
An Orthodox friend of mine says that the Catholic church must be wrong because the Pope split from 4 patriarchs. His logic is that 4 is better than one. How do I argue this?
Thank you and God bless!
Haha. This is what we call the ‘duck goes to the bigger number’ argument, often employed by one of my childhood friends to justify his stance as a Yankees fan.

What matters is not numbers, as another poster pointed out. Which church has more members? Would they take that as a sign of Christian orthodoxy? I doubt it. The CC far outnumbers them there. Numbers aren’t a valid basis from which to ascertain truth. There was a time when the majority of bishops were Arian heretics. Did this make Arianism, the damnable heresy that it is, correct? Of course not!
 
i just recently had the privelage of seeing steve ray give a talk based on his book…

it was…

AWESOME!

yeah… Jesus, Peter, the kets, its all important stuff.
 
You guys are great help! I pray that God’s love be with all of you.
 
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