Eastern Rite Eucharist

[threej_lc]

I was kind of confused thinking about this the other day.

We believe that the Divine presence leaves the Eucharist as soon as the “accental matter” of bread and wine change, right? So if the host starts to mold, or you pour a bunch of water into the cup, the divine precence leaves.

So what about Eastern Rites? Some of them, in their normal process of preparation for communion, place the host into the wine, chop and mix it up until you get this pasty substance. Hasn’t that changed the matter of bread and wine? Wouldn’t that cause the divine presence to leave before communion?

I’m a little confused. Thanks!
Josh

 

[Deacon_Ed]

Josh,

Since the eucharist is placed into a chalice with the Precious Blood there is nothing lost. The species of bread remains, it’s just soggy. The Real Presence terminates with the cessation of the presence of the accidents. That takes more than just making it “mushy.” Fortunately, in my Melkite tradition we simply use intinction and only place the Eucharist in wine when celebrating the Liturgy of the Presanctified, and then only because the Eucharist has dried out so much it would be difficult to eat.

Deacon Ed

 

[Patchunky]

threej_lc:

So what about Eastern Rites? Some of them, in their normal process of preparation for communion, place the host into the wine, chop and mix it up until you get this pasty substance.

Now I’m confused… where did you see this or experience this?

In my Ruthenian Byzantine Rite parish, we use small cubes of bread, kinda like a crouton, which are placed in the chalice with the wine and water. This is done just before the Holy Species are distributed. There’s nothing “mushy” about it.

 

[Chalice]

Patchunky:

Now I’m confused… where did you see this or experience this?

In my Ruthenian Byzantine Rite parish, we use small cubes of bread, kinda like a crouton, which are placed in the chalice with the wine and water. This is done just before the Holy Species are distributed. There’s nothing “mushy” about it.

That makes for a VERY tasty Eucharist as well…

 

[mgy100]

Chalice, thank you for informing me stuff I already know about my computer. Any way I can block that info?