Eastern Saints but not Roman

[Noone]

I have heard that there are some saints that are only venerated in the Eastern Catholic Churches (i.e. Justinian I and his wife Theodora) and not in the Roman Rite. Which Eastern Rites do this and how does it exactly work?

 

[EZweber]

This may not fully answer your question, but in the early Church, there was no formal canonization process. The first time it was instituted was in the 10th century. Before that, they were essentially canonized by common recognition. With regard to Justinian and Theodora, Theodora especially was instrumental in making the see of Constantine more independent from the Pope, so obviously, the Eastern Church would recognize them as saints and not the Western Church.

 

[dochawk]

That’s still the norm in the East, although EC tend to send things to Rome, as such canonizations seems to be more prestigious in some way.

We shouldn’t do this, but we do . . .

hawk

 

[ziapueblo]

Which Eastern Rites do this and how does it exactly work?

I would guess most rites do. For example, Saint Gregory Palamas is on the Byzantine Catholic lectionary (second Sunday of Great Lent). Many Byzantine Catholics venerate St. Mark of Ephesus, Saint Alexis Toth and others.

ZP

 

[twf]

And of course there are “popular” non-canonized saints in the Latin Church too. Often grassroots devotions to holy people lead to canonizations.

 

[Dovekin]

Canonization occurs when someone is added to a calendar for commemoration as a saint. This was generally done by a bishop, but with nothing like the baroque formality of modern times.

Even now the process should begin with grassroots devotion. We have the occasional oddity of the grassroots being the papal household.

 

[TomH1]

I should imagine there may be some cultural aspect to this and people’s personal devotion. I can only really speak for the Latins but the Roman Martyrology is full of saints but the majority of them do not get observed with a feast day. I suspect that certain saints are more popular in, say Italy, than in England.

 

[Genesis315]

Canonization implies universal veneration, either de facto or prescribed (the latter being what a papal canonization does).

Local or regional saints are really the equivalent of a modern beatification–which has a local character that is not prescribed by the supreme authority in the Church. The title of “saint” historically was also used for these souls, before the more precise use of titles we have now.

There are many of both across East and West.

 

[CoffeeFanatic]

I find this topic fascinating. I wonder how closely the EC saint titles mirror the Orthodox? I admit I’m ignorant on that. I know that the way we canonize differs from the RC way, and we do use some different saint titles than y’all.

For example, we officially call St. Mary Magdalene the Holy Myrrh-bearer and Equal to the Apostles. I’ve never seen or heard of the RC referring to her this particular way. While we use some of the same saint titles, we use them in slightly different ways too, if I’m not mistaken.
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Saint_titles

 

[Genesis315]

At least, in my experience, we seem to use less of those titles after the name in the west. We of course have “Apostle,” and then confessor, virgin, and martyr (we also have doctor, which is not on your list). There are of course some special unique cases. I imagine in the Catholic East it is similar to your list.

Of course in the west, we have various titles before the name: Servant of God, Venerable, Blessed, Saint which correspond to how much ecclesiastical approbation a cult has–of course, the farther you go back, the less precisely these are used.

 

[Dovekin]

Martyrology. a catalog of Roman Catholic martyrs and saints arranged by the dates of their feasts.
www.merriam-webster.com

Canonization refers to placing an individual into the accepted lists of saints. This was first done by placing them on the calendar. It overlaps with a time when many people were added to the calendar to be remembered, but the designation of holy came to be applied to a particular way of remembering. If you know of a saint that is not associated with a particular day, I would love to hear about it!

The Roman Martyrology was originally the calendar of Rome. Other places have their own martyrologies, calendars, ordos.

Eastern Catholics have saints that overlap with the Orthodox, as well as some different from the Orthodox. (St Josaphat, who led a group to reunite with Rome, for example)

 

[poche]

All of the recognized saints of the first millennia are recognized by bot the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches.

 

[TomH1]

Canonization refers to placing an individual into the accepted lists of saints. This was first done by placing them on the calendar. It overlaps with a time when many people were added to the calendar to be remembered, but the designation of holy came to be applied to a particular way of remembering. If you know of a saint that is not associated with a particular day, I would love to hear about it!

The Roman Martyrology was originally the calendar of Rome. Other places have their own martyrologies, calendars, ordos.

Eastern Catholics have saints that overlap with the Orthodox, as well as some different from the Orthodox. (St Josaphat, who led a group to reunite with Rome, for example)

I’m confused. I understand what you’ve written. I don’t understand why it’s relevant as a reply to my previous post.