Eastern Schism

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Does anybody have good resources on the Eastern Schism? I’d be interested in extensively researching this from both the Catholic and Orthodox POV.

Thanks a lot.
 
Marc_Anthony said:
Does anybody have good resources on the Eastern Schism? I’d be interested in extensively researching this from both the Catholic and Orthodox POV.

Thanks a lot.
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The usual Catholic resource:

newadvent.org/cathen/13535a.htm

It is quite long and complex, beginning at least with the letter from Pope Leo I, 447 A.D., letter 15, II. (1) The Priscillianists’ denial of the Trinity refuted:

“as if He who begot were not one, He who was begotten, another, and He who proceeded from both, yet another”

newadvent.org/fathers/3604015.htm

Later the Photian Schism (863-867 A.D.) occurred and a second schism associated with Photius * also occurred in 882-886 A.D. Eventually this lead to of the Great Schism of 1054, percipitated by anathemas (which were mutually lifted in 1965). Also read about Pope John VIII with regard to Photius.
  • Photius is a Saint to the Eastern Orthodox, and Francis Dvornik has written a book on the Photian Schism, which refutes the idea that he died in excommunication with the Latin Church. I think you will find opposing opinions.
The nature of the issue is such that in each historal era you will find opposing statements from various authors. I wonder if there will ever be agreement on what actually occurred.
 
prodromos said:
It is usually referred to as the “Great Schism”, however we have come to expect the term “Eastern schism” to be used by Catholics 😃
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Not by all of us Catholics… 🙂
I myself was unhappy with OP’s choice of wording.
 
Vico said:
Later the Photian Schism (863-867 A.D.) occurred and a second schism associated with Photius * also occurred in 882-886 A.D. Eventually this lead to of the Great Schism of 1054, percipitated by anathemas (which were mutually lifted in 1965). Also read about Pope John VIII with regard to Photius.
  • Photius is a Saint to the Eastern Orthodox, and Francis Dvornik has written a book on the Photian Schism, which refutes the idea that he died in excommunication with the Latin Church. I think you will find opposing opinions.
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You will not find any evidence of the robber council of 869 being accepted by Rome after its repudiation by the subsequent council of 879 until the investiture crisis of the 11th century, when the canonists decided they needed canon 22 of the former council. The supposed 2nd schism is a myth. Photius and John remained in communion.

John
 
prodromos said:
You will not find any evidence of the robber council of 869 being accepted by Rome after its repudiation by the subsequent council of 879 until the investiture crisis of the 11th century, when the canonists decided they needed canon 22 of the former council. The supposed 2nd schism is a myth. Photius and John remained in communion.

John
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I certainly will not, as I will not be writing a book on it. There are different opinions however. There is a letter from Pope Stephen V to Basil I about Photius still trying to get the council of 869 annulled 20 years later. Both Venance Grumel and Martin Jugie have differing opinions than Dvornik on some historial documents.

thebananarepublican1.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/dvornik-photian-schism-book-review-by-grumel/
 
5Loaves said:
Not by all of us Catholics… 🙂
I myself was unhappy with OP’s choice of wording.
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I can understand why a Catholic would use that wording, especially if he’s not familiar with the controversy and the sensitivity of terminology on the issue.

Marc Anthony: I would recommend using the term “Great Schism” or “Catholic/Orthodox Schism”, or something similar that’s neutral and doesn’t have a connotation of blame. Most historians, both Catholic and Orthodox, recognize today that both sides share blame for the schism, regardless of where you stand on the issues that divide us. It’s a very complicated issue, and will no doubt take some time to understand. Since you’re Catholic you could try a book by the author whose essay I posted a link to earlier. It’s called “Rome and the Eastern Churches” by Aidan Nichols, published by Ignatius Press. I haven’t read the book, but I do like his essay, which seems balanced and a good place to begin. Here’s a link to it on Amazon:

amazon.com/Rome-Eastern-Churches-Aidan-Nichols/dp/1586172824/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3FYJYHUX4XEBX&colid=1GBP43OYJNRHM
 
I apologize if my phrasing offended anybody. If there was bias, it was 100% accidental. I only called it the Eastern Schism because that’s what I thought it was called-I knew the term Great Schism but Eastern Schism just came to mind first. My apologies.
 
Try The Primacy of Peter in the Orthodox Church by John Meyendorff and friends.
An Antiochian Orthodox priest told me it’s the standard book on the question of papal primacy. There was more to the schism than just that, but it’s unquestionably a key part of the schism.

I’ve seen a similar book, but the title is escaping me right now. Anyway, if you plug that one into Amazon.com you’ll get some other hits on papal primacy.

Timothy Wares’ The Orthodox Church of course talks about the schism.

I have not read Jaroslav Pelikan’s The Spirit of Eastern Christendom (volume 2 of his history series) but I expect it would cover the schism broadly and papal primacy specifically.
 
Church, Papacy and Schism. A Theological Perspective by Philip Sherrard
 
Vico said:
I certainly will not, as I will not be writing a book on it. There are different opinions however. There is a letter from Pope Stephen V to Basil I about Photius still trying to get the council of 869 annulled 20 years later. Both Venance Grumel and Martin Jugie have differing opinions than Dvornik on some historial documents.

thebananarepublican1.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/dvornik-photian-schism-book-review-by-grumel/
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Thanks for this link. In light of all of the facile assertions on the subject, it is refreshing to have reference to some primary scholarship.
 
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