Eastern vs Western Catholicism?

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Peter_J said:
I fear this statement could be misleading for some. We ECs don’t reject don’t reject any of the teaching that Rome considers dogmas … for example, Vatican I’s teaching on “Papal Iinfallibilty”, but we *would *say that it isn’t a dogma, since Vatican I was not an ecumenical council.
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I purposefully didn’t bring up specifics because, IMHO, getting bogged down in the details is not Catholic (universal.) Celebrating diversity means understanding that there are many ways to see same thing, not one. Our different ways of seeing things is wonderful for deeper understanding of the mysteries we share. But I also don’t label myself as any kind of Catholic because we are just that, Catholic or not universal.

Anything can easily be taken out of context. In the end, it is immaterial. We are one.
 
UbiCaritas15 said:
I purposefully didn’t bring up specifics because, IMHO, getting bogged down in the details is not Catholic (universal.) Celebrating diversity means understanding that there are many ways to see same thing, not one. Our different ways of seeing things is wonderful for deeper understanding of the mysteries we share. But I also don’t label myself as any kind of Catholic because we are just that, Catholic or not universal.

Anything can easily be taken out of context. In the end, it is immaterial. We are one.
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Peter_J said:
I fear this statement could be misleading for some. We ECs don’t reject any of the teachings that Rome considers dogmas … for example, Vatican I’s teaching on “Papal Iinfallibilty”, but we *would *say that it isn’t a dogma, since Vatican I was not an ecumenical council.
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Thank you brother… .that was a very short and concise answer. Again, I am not looking to open a can of worms but there are other areas as well hence my short explanation of the first 7 Councils. These areas are still in “active reconciliation” even though we are in communion meaning, we don’t reject them but continue to work through them.
I had started to reveal some of this a few weeks ago when I started to teach about Theosis and there were definitely some people who were very upset but as I explained to them, this is not meant to tell say that anyone is right or wrong… it is meant to reveal the fullness of the Byzantine faith (again, Ruthenian/Ukrainian) and that without this most basic understanding, there is no way to begin to discuss the rest.
BTW: Blessed and Great Fast… how I have awaited your arrival. Prayers for our EC and EO brethren who have started the Great Fast on this day.
 
docnerves said:
Thank you brother… .that was a very short and concise answer. Again, I am not looking to open a can of worms but there are other areas as well hence my short explanation of the first 7 Councils. These areas are still in “active reconciliation” even though we are in communion meaning, we don’t reject them but continue to work through them.
I had started to reveal some of this a few weeks ago when I started to teach about Theosis and there were definitely some people who were very upset but as I explained to them, this is not meant to tell say that anyone is right or wrong… it is meant to reveal the fullness of the Byzantine faith (again, Ruthenian/Ukrainian) and that without this most basic understanding, there is no way to begin to discuss the rest.
BTW: Blessed and Great Fast… how I have awaited your arrival. Prayers for our EC and EO brethren who have started the Great Fast on this day.
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I would love some more in depth reading on Theosis…
 
SandwichOrder said:
Eastern Catholicism is comprised of twenty-two other rites of Catholicism that believe everything that Latin, or,Roman Catholics believe in. They have different emphases, but we believe in the same things. They are different from Orthodox Christians, which believe in many of the things Catholics (both Eastern and Latin) believe in, but they differ in terms of some doctrines regarding the Pope, namely, papal infallibility. Some Eastern Catholics have always been in communion with Rome, which means they never separated like the Orthodox did in the Great Schism, but most were once in schism but are now back in communion with Rome.
An interesting fact about Eastern Catholics is that they do not believe in Purgatory like Western Catholics do. They believe in a purification process called Final Theosis, which is different (someone else can fill this). They use leavened bread for communion, whereas Latin Catholics do not. They focus more on the Divinity of Christ. They are one-hundred percent Catholic, and they are not any less Catholic than Roman Catholics.
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No, that’s not accurate. There are 12-13 (something like that) different EC rites. There are 22 traditions or churches (small “c.”) That is a critical distinction. The Byzantine Rite for example is employed by several different EC churches.

It would also be impossible for the Eastern Catholic focus on the Divinity of Jesus Christ to be any greater than that of the Western Church.
 
UbiCaritas15 said:
I would love some more in depth reading on Theosis…
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This resource is a great start. I warn you that you have to remember that it was written by an EO Archimandrite so you have to take some of his “jabs” with a grain of salt however; the theological content is accurate.
orthodoxinfo.com/general/theosis-english.pdf
It is my belief that this is the best time of the year to learn since we are now in the Great Fast and growing in Our Lord as this is the emphasis of the Great Fast and Theosis.
“God became man so that man could become god” - St Athanasius… “A human is a creature given the commandment to be God” - St. Basil the Great
Our God is truly Great… I could spend a lifetime just contemplating Theosis let alone any other aspect of the faith.
 
docnerves said:
This resource is a great start. I warn you that you have to remember that it was written by an EO Archimandrite so you have to take some of his “jabs” with a grain of salt however; the theological content is accurate.
orthodoxinfo.com/general/theosis-english.pdf
It is my belief that this is the best time of the year to learn since we are now in the Great Fast and growing in Our Lord as this is the emphasis of the Great Fast and Theosis.
“God became man so that man could become god” - St Athanasius… “A human is a creature given the commandment to be God” - St. Basil the Great
Our God is truly Great… I could spend a lifetime just contemplating Theosis let alone any other aspect of the faith.
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THANK YOU!!!

I don’t mind some jabs. My husband and I taunt each other often and are very happily married. I only hope we can come closer in our union together (Catholic and Orthodox), because we need so much of each other just as I need my husband.

Thank you again 🙂 I can’t wait to start reading. I agree that this is a great time to read. And… my favorite! Tonight was the first presanctified Liturgy of Lent 😃 😃 😃 😃 Happy happy me!!
 
docnerves said:
This resource is a great start. I warn you that you have to remember that it was written by an EO Archimandrite so you have to take some of his “jabs” with a grain of salt however; the theological content is accurate.
orthodoxinfo.com/general/theosis-english.pdf
It is my belief that this is the best time of the year to learn since we are now in the Great Fast and growing in Our Lord as this is the emphasis of the Great Fast and Theosis.
“God became man so that man could become god” - St Athanasius… “A human is a creature given the commandment to be God” - St. Basil the Great
Our God is truly Great… I could spend a lifetime just contemplating Theosis let alone any other aspect of the faith.
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Then of course there is also St. Augustine of Hippo.

“Factus est Deus homo, ut homo fieret Deus” (Sermo XIII de Tempore), that is, “God was made man so that man might be made God.”
 
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