Easterners, what do YOU believe about the Papacy?

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Peter_J said:
Constantine, do you have a citation or link for the idea of Eastern Catholics being on their way to Orthodoxy?

I’m just asking out of interest. I realize nothing you’ve said necessarily implies that there’s such a citation; but if there is, then I think it would be very helpful to read to precise wording.
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Do you think Eastern Catholic Churches will exist in parallel to Orthodox Churches in the event of a reunion?
 
Peter_J said:
I don’t think I could really say.
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Well the answer is no. The destiny of all Eastern Catholic Church is to return to their mother Orthodox Churches. I’ve said it already on the top of this page.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Well the answer is no. The destiny of all Eastern Catholic Church is to return to their mother Orthodox Churches. I’ve said it already on the top of this page.
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Why can’t it be that Orthodox churches will join their Eastern Catholic brothers?
 
TrueLight said:
Why can’t it be that Orthodox churches will join their Eastern Catholic brothers?
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They are still the parent Church. For example the Ukrainian Catholic Church has always offered to give way to the Ukrainian Orthodox Patriarch if they would come into Communion with the Catholic Church.
 
Exactly ! But then again, we’re always hearing (from EC’s) which Catholic practices are unacceptable to the Orthodox. When’s the last time you’ve heard the same people refer to Orthodox positions that are unacceptable to Catholics ?
 
TrueLight said:
Why can’t it be that Orthodox churches will join their Eastern Catholic brothers?
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That would be something new.

Not a return to the first millenium Christian church structure and practice, but a final destruction of it.
 
Technically, Orthodox can join Eastern Catholic Churches any time they want to, but not very many of them do.
 
ConstantineTG said:
They are still the parent Church. For example the Ukrainian Catholic Church has always offered to give way to the Ukrainian Orthodox Patriarch if they would come into Communion with the Catholic Church.
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Whos the parent church? Key phrase being Communion with Rome. Thus the parent Church.

The fact that Orthodox Catholics choose to be in Communion with Rome indicates their choice of where they desire to be, as does the above statement. Its not a matter of choice in preference of Latin or Byzantine. One could do this anyway. The issue becomes the communion thus unity of the church.

Infallible I don’t see as an issue with communion. Infallible is an issue with those not in communion. Those in communion pay it little attention. Are not indefectible and infallible one of the same? And how bold will they then speak once communion is reached? Oh, I can hardly wait to hear. If the first 5 centuries are any indication then I would have to believe this indicates clearly how Christianity in Communion speaks. Some pretty profound statements were made in the East in those first centuries.
 
Seamus_L said:
Exactly ! But then again, we’re always hearing (from EC’s) which Catholic practices are unacceptable to the Orthodox. When’s the last time you’ve heard the same people refer to Orthodox positions that are unacceptable to Catholics ?
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Because Orthodoxy is the true way, from the perspective of the Orthodox. The faith they live is the orthodox faith (not orthodox as in communion of Orthodox Churches, but the true meaning of the word orthodox). So why will the Orthodox accept a position that is not orthodox? Its like asking the SSPX to accept Vatican II. From the SSPX point of view, they are traditionalists and Vatican II is anti-tradition. To accept Vatican II is to be non-traditionalist. For the Orthodox to accept teachings apart from what they have been following since the beginning are heterodox, so would be contrary to their very nature.

Truth is non-negotiable.
 
And to Catholics, Catholicism is the true way and the Faith we live is the Catholic Faith. So to ask us to accept teachings apart from what we’ve been following is also heterodox. Yet despite that we hear comments like “If Blessed Pius IX is canonized, it will send a message to the Orthodox that we’re not really serious about re-union”
 
ConstantineTG said:
Because Orthodoxy is the true way, from the perspective of the Orthodox. The faith they live is the orthodox faith (not orthodox as in communion of Orthodox Churches, but the true meaning of the word orthodox). So why will the Orthodox accept a position that is not orthodox? Its like asking the SSPX to accept Vatican II. From the SSPX point of view, they are traditionalists and Vatican II is anti-tradition. To accept Vatican II is to be non-traditionalist. For the Orthodox to accept teachings apart from what they have been following since the beginning are heterodox, so would be contrary to their very nature.

Truth is non-negotiable.
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The SSPX would find the Orthodox position unacceptable. Ironic you mentioned them.
 
Seamus_L said:
Yet despite that we hear comments like “If Blessed Pius IX is canonized, it will send a message to the Orthodox that we’re not really serious about re-union”
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And that completely misstates the problem. More accurate (said from the standpoint of 1869) would be, “If Pastor Aeternus is promulgated, it will send a message to the Orthodox that we’re not really serious about re-union.”

For this one thing alone (his involvement in such a catastrophic move), Blessed Pius XI cannot command our veneration.
 
Seamus_L said:
Cannot command YOUR veneration.
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You don’t recognize as disastrous how the doctrines of papal supremacy and infallibility have by their dogmatization been turned into a pair of enormous obstacles in the way of Catholic-Orthodox reunion–for no good reason?
 
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