Easy Believism vs Orthodox Protestantism

[Vile_Servant]

How can Orthodox Protestants convince Easy Believers that Easy Believism is not the path of salvation?

Easy Believism - The belief that no matter what a person does after he is saved, that person is still saved (OSAS). What the person can lose by living as he pleases is not his salvation, but rewards, joy, fellowship, power, testimony, etc. The things related to the Christian life and eternal rewards can be lost but not one’s salvation.

 

[Darron_Steele]

Back when I was Baptist and a new Christian, one of the assignments we in the youth got was to study and then discuss James – including James 2.

Essentially, it teaches that if a person is a real believer on Jesus Christ, then s/he will act like it.

This links up with Luke 6:46 where Jesus Christ says “Why do you call Me, `Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?” (NBV). The point: they really did not believe He was Lord if He did not do as He said.

If a person really and truly believes that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, s/he believes He is Lord, and therefore what He said we should do is what we should do.

 

[TriuneUnity]

How can Orthodox Protestants convince Easy Believers that Easy Believism is not the path of salvation?

Easy Believism - The belief that no matter what a person does after he is saved, that person is still saved (OSAS). What the person can lose by living as he pleases is not his salvation, but rewards, joy, fellowship, power, testimony, etc. The things related to the Christian life and eternal rewards can be lost but not one’s salvation.

Driving them back to the Law of God.

 

[Darron_Steele]

How can Orthodox Protestants convince Easy Believers that Easy Believism is not the path of salvation?

Easy Believism - The belief that no matter what a person does after he is saved, that person is still saved (OSAS). What the person can lose by living as he pleases is not his salvation, but rewards, joy, fellowship, power, testimony, etc. The things related to the Christian life and eternal rewards can be lost but not one’s salvation.

Correction: Easy Believe-ism is not Once Saved Always Saved. I missed your apparent equating of the two.

Once Saved Always Saved simply teaches that once a person becomes a believer, s/he will be saved. In my experience, its usual form is that if a person becomes a believer, s/he will stay a believer and live accordingly.

Easy Believe-ism teaches that a person can be saved by an assent that Jesus Christ is Savior, but does not have to live according the the Lord’s standards.

Which did you mean to oppose?

 

[CMatt25]

Correction: Easy Believe-ism is not Once Saved Always Saved. I missed your apparent equating of the two.

Once Saved Always Saved simply teaches that once a person becomes a believer, s/he will be saved. In my experience, its usual form is that if a person becomes a believer, s/he will stay a believer and live accordingly.

Easy Believe-ism teaches that a person can be saved by an assent that Jesus Christ is Savior, but does not have to live according the the Lord’s standards.

Which did you mean to oppose?

Are you saying if a person truly assents to Jesus Christ as Savior, they too wouldn’t want to strive to follow Him and to live accordingly in love and service as well?

 

[Darron_Steele]

Are you saying if a person truly assents to Jesus Christ as Savior, they too wouldn’t want to strive to follow Him and to live accordingly in love and service as well?

Unfortunately, not always.

These are the ungrateful ones.

There are many people who would love to have a free ticket out of Hell but have no desire to serve the One Who suffered to grant it. You see them respond to the altar call, acknowledge Jesus Christ as Savior – and then go back to living as they please, expecting Jesus Christ to save them.

Easy believe-ism teaches that these people can be saved. Neither the Bible nor Once Saved Always Saved in its healthy forms teach any such thing.

 

[SSTeacher]

How can Orthodox Protestants convince Easy Believers that Easy Believism is not the path of salvation?

Easy Believism - The belief that no matter what a person does after he is saved, that person is still saved (OSAS). What the person can lose by living as he pleases is not his salvation, but rewards, joy, fellowship, power, testimony, etc. The things related to the Christian life and eternal rewards can be lost but not one’s salvation.

During my years in the Evangelical world I never ever met a Christian that believed in the doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints yet who also believed that he or she could live a life that included anything contrary to God’s will. However, assuming such people actually exist, I imagine they would be encouraged by their brothers and sisters in Christ in the same way that Catholics presumably encourage their fellow Catholics whose attitude is to live just as they please but suppose they always have a fairly clean slate because they regularly go to confession in order to get rid of the guilt and routinely do whatever is required to gain a plenary indulgence in order to avoid the punishment – assuming, of course, that Catholicism contains people with such an attitude.

Speculatively,
Mick

 

[Loboto-Me]

The thing is, being absolved of your sins has to involve contrition

**CONTRITION
**We need contrition, or sorrow for our sins, to
receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation and contrition
***must ***include a firm purpose to amend our life
and avoid the near occasions of sin — that is, the situations,
persons, places, and things that lead us to sin.
Sorrow for sin is very different from sadness or selfhatred.
As we draw closer to God, our sense of sin and
sorrow for sin become deeper,just as do our joy,peace
of heart, and purity of conscience.

So even if a catholic goes to confession and the priest says all the word that absolve, the penitent has done a bad confession therefore he was not absolved at all. You see CONTRITION is a vital part of the Sacrament. So that catholic who professes his sorrow but is not really contrite and plans on getting back on the highway of sin that weekend is actually adding more sin to his list of other sins.

Unfortunately, yup there are some catholics that operate that way, but there’s no way of telling who they are because the priest (unless he’s St Padre Pio) has no way of knowing the penitent’s heart.