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Phemie
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My husband would certainly consider eating it penitential. I, on the other hand, consider it festive.
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Phemie
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Not even all mammal meat is excluded since one may eat whale meat and even seal meat.
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John_Lazarus
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Not all sushi is high-end*.
You can make a small, non-extravagant, nutritious meal out of salmon roll, and the two major grocery chains in town here (Dominion and Sobeys) have take-out sushi – you can get a little plastic tray of maki for about six-seven bucks, which is way cheaper than actually buying fish to fry.
Now…is an egg kosher for Lent and Fridays? Is it a chicken “organ”? Or even a whole “pre-chicken”?
*I know you didn’t imply otherwise, just sayin’ for the scrupulous.
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pensmama87
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I actually like shrimp and crab, but I don’t much like lobster.
Jim Gaffigan (the stand-up comic) has a joke that people who say they like seafood really just like butter.
Commercially sold eggs are not fertilized. Roosters do not get anywhere near those hens.
Most local eggs are unfertilized too, but if there’s a rooster the occasional chicken embryo may be in there. If you’ve ever had an egg with a bright red dot on the yolk when you crack it, that’s the embryo.
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Phemie
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I’d never heard of butter with lobster until I was in my 20s.Jim Gaffigan (the stand-up comic) has a joke that people who say they like seafood really just like butter.
Where I grew up a feed of lobster featured tah-dah! lobster. Lobster was cheap so dozens of the critters were dumped on a table covered in newspaper (preferably outside on a picnic table, lobster season running late April to late June), with maybe vinegar or lemon to sprinkle on and saltines. Salads and drawn butter were nowhere to be seen. As a kid it was not unusual for me to eat 4 of the critters. Now, with the price of lobster, salads and rolls are fillers so you can have a meal with one lobster.
I don’t remember this but in many places lobster was considered food for the poor. Kids didn’t take lobster sandwiches to school for fear people would think their family was in dire straits.
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ThyKingdomCome
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Actually, to be very blunt/clear:
–There is no rule against having sushi on a Friday in Lent.
–There is no rule regulating how MUCH you should eat on a Friday during Lent (except for Good Friday, when fasting rules apply)
–Therefore, you are ALLOWED to eat as much sushi as you want on Lenten Fridays (not counting Good Friday, when the fasting rules apply). As long as you are not being gluttonous (which is always wrong), you can have a big heaping pile of it.
–HOWEVER, the church did make the rules about abstaining from meat so that it would be penetential. A person who is making an effort to follow the spirit of the law, might decide that a certain non-meat food is so tasty, or such a treat, that eating it doesn’t feel like a sacrifice. That person might decide to not have it anyway, or to only have a small amount, or to make an additional sacrifice. But to be clear, while authorities in the church have talked about the value of the Friday abstinence being truly sacrificial, the church does NOT REQUIRE this additional practice. The actual rule is pretty lenient.
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Corki
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Is that regional? The US norms for abstinence just say no mammal or fowl. There are some exceptions such as muskrat being allowed in parts of Michigan and capybara being permitted in parts of South America.
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Kurisu35712
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I’m really confused as to why you would think any of those would be unacceptable during Lent. Maybe its my Cajun talking, but I used to always look forward to Lent just because now we had no excuse to not eat fish once a week. I would’ve gotten sushi last Friday if I hadn’t gotten out of class so late.
Everything that you listed is either fish or fish eggs. Or an egg, which isn’t meat either. But you mention “fish meat.” Fish is not part of the Lenten abstinence. So “fish meat” is not meat, in terms of what we can eat during Lent. Everything on that menu is acceptable. Some would say not to go for the most expensive roll, but unless you’re at a 5-star restaurant, the most expensive would be likely under $15, and those are usually big enough that you’ll be good with just one roll.
Everything that you listed is either fish or fish eggs. Or an egg, which isn’t meat either. But you mention “fish meat.” Fish is not part of the Lenten abstinence. So “fish meat” is not meat, in terms of what we can eat during Lent. Everything on that menu is acceptable. Some would say not to go for the most expensive roll, but unless you’re at a 5-star restaurant, the most expensive would be likely under $15, and those are usually big enough that you’ll be good with just one roll.
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Phemie
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I used to be able to access a list of dubiums that had been translated but I can no longer find it. I’ll keep looking
I find a Times magazine article from November 1951 which says that the Vatican had been questioned on the subject and deliberated long and hard before issuing a decree in the previous week that “animals of the earth” and “birds of the sky” were all that was included in the food to be avoided in the abstinence from meat. If it lived primarily in the water, even if it needed to breathe air and sometimes rested on land, it was classified as fish for the Friday abstinence.
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St_Pancake
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Good Friday is not part of Lent. It is part of the Triduum.
I love fried fish and it is a treat for me. I make attempts at other means of penance to offset that. In the end, it is recognizing Jesus Christ and what he has done for us that is important. At least, that’s what it is to me.
Sushi would be great if it was batter dipped and fried. It would be a huge sacrifice for me to have that but I have other things to do at Church during Lent so I will eat there. Maybe I will eat sushi for penance during another Non-Lenten Friday meal.
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pnewton
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I think it clear that eating sushi is acceptable as a non meat. Whether it is appropriate depends totally on the circumstances. For me, it almost would never be acceptable at my standard of living as it is a splurge, something I do not do for Friday penance. For others who are wealthy and eat high end all the time, it might be simple and penitential. If I am in a situation where sushi was my best option on a Friday, I will get the simplest and cheapest food that is sustenance.
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Vim71
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Same here. A Sushi boat is way cheaper compared to fish here. Though I suppose during lent I’ll abstain from it since I largely prefer it to Fish.
The cheapest fish I can buy that provides at least an adequate amount of food/protein is High Liner Fish Sticks, 28 for $7.99. Though last year, it was $10.99 a box. A box usually lasts me 2.33 meals, since I need at least 12 of them to get enough protein.
My justification: asianfoodgrocer.com/blog/2013/03/for-meatless-friday-this-lent.html
Maybe if you live a very sedentary life style, then yeah I could see that.
In Canada, every Friday is supposed to be no meat, and I usually eat fish. I’ve had no problems losing weight while eating fish on my cutting diets, but I have had problems gaining weight while on a bulking diet.
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jmjZelie
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It is strange that people are talking about sushi being a high-end splurge. Maybe because some fancy restaurants serve expensive sushi? Similar to how there is Fazoli’s Italian fast food and then there are 4star Italian restaurants…
Sushi actually was a “fast-food” for the poorer people originally. In many places, it remains a cheap, healthy and fast food. When I get sushi, it is probably the cheapest take-out I get in any category. Sushi for our family is less than one visit to McDonalds (which we would never eat anyway).
Super healthy
Super cheap
Super fast
Perfect for Friday abstinence, any Friday of the year
Sushi actually was a “fast-food” for the poorer people originally. In many places, it remains a cheap, healthy and fast food. When I get sushi, it is probably the cheapest take-out I get in any category. Sushi for our family is less than one visit to McDonalds (which we would never eat anyway).
Super healthy
Super cheap
Super fast
Perfect for Friday abstinence, any Friday of the year
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Sarcelle
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YesIt is strange that people are talking about sushi being a high-end splurge. Maybe because some fancy restaurants serve expensive sushi? Similar to how there is Fazoli’s Italian fast food and then there are 4star Italian restaurants…
Sushi actually was a “fast-food” for the poorer people originally. In many places, it remains a cheap, healthy and fast food. When I get sushi, it is probably the cheapest take-out I get in any category. Sushi for our family is less than one visit to McDonalds (which we would never eat anyway).
Super healthy
Super cheap
Super fast
Perfect for Friday abstinence, any Friday of the year
My mom makes vegetarian sushi out of rice, pickled vegetables and seaweed. Nothing luxurious or fancy about it. It’s not always high end.
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Phemie
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No, in Canada there is no requirement to abstain from meat on Fridays. The CCCB decree says that the only days of fast and abstinence from meat are Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.
The exception: if you live in the Archdiocese of Ottawa you are required to abstain from meat during the Fridays in Lent because Archbishop Prendergast has so decreed. I’m not aware that any other Bishop or Archbishop in Canada has done that.
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pnewton
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That’s why I say it depends. A chees pizza is five bucks for three of use. A can of tuna is sometime a Friday meal. (Anyone cook Friday night bun?) Surely a five dollar roll is not that much, but most of the rolls here, the ones without imitation crab, are $8-11 at the grocery store. I know this is nothing for some. It really depends on what one is used to.
In any case, it is not meat, and that is as far as we can go. It is as far as the Church goes.
An oddity here is that shrimp, which is a delicacy many places, is cheap here. Five dollars of shrimp can feed all three of us shrimp quesadillas.
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Xantippe
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I get a box of sushi from the grocery store now and then for my big kids for lunch on Saturday. The box is $10 split between two big kids. Woohoo.
heb.com/product-detail/h-e-b-sushiya-san-antonio-roll/1477048
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pnewton
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I might skip that for Lent, but for the record, that is one of my favorites. Our HEB has great sushi. However,* I* do not share.
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Xantippe
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They hand out SO many samples if you are there at the right time.
I feel like my kids have probably eaten a small fortune in HEB sushi samples.
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Vim71
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Where did you get that information? I went to their site says otherwise: cccb.ca/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2327&Itemid=1226
Unless of course, I’m missing something here?
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