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The General concept in the Muslim world is that eating the meat of Pig makes the women mmoral, I had no answer
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JeanneH
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My first response would be nonsense.
My second one would be --show me where it is written.
Jesus said that only what comes out of our mouths makes us unclean/immoral not what goes in. Sorry I don’t know the exact verse but I am sure you know which one I mean.
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Varghese
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Yes I do, but they talking about statistics & all the pornography & Divorces taking place.
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JeanneH
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I don’t see the point they are trying to make. One has nothing to do with the other. What you do has nothing to do with what you eat unless one is on “drugs” of course.
Only more proof to me that this is nonsense.
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tobbias88
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Many vegetarians would claim that any flesh-eating inflames the passions, that meat-eaters tend to be much more aggressive and perhaps more lustful.
However I have know Moslem women who seemed equally im/moral as their Christian sisters although they had never eaten pig!
You will find that most of the saints & early monastics never ate any kind of meat. I am quite sure that Jesus, his immediate circle & all the early christians never ate pig since it was forbidden in their religion/culture.
Later when the Church spread to Greece & the Roman Empire these Judaic laws were relaxed.
However I have know Moslem women who seemed equally im/moral as their Christian sisters although they had never eaten pig!
You will find that most of the saints & early monastics never ate any kind of meat. I am quite sure that Jesus, his immediate circle & all the early christians never ate pig since it was forbidden in their religion/culture.
Later when the Church spread to Greece & the Roman Empire these Judaic laws were relaxed.
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reginacaeli
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Does that mean in the Muslim world that it would be OK for men to eat pork?
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Christy74
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JeanneH
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claim the operative word here. They can claim what they want. Is there any proof?
How could you know that. Could it be that the ancients didn’t have easy access to meat? Jesus was talking about the Law when he said that what you put into your mouth does not make you unclean. He may or may not have eaten meat/pork.
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jprioli
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You are correct… He was preparing the way for His new Law and His New Covenant.
However – and I don’t want to be dogmatic about this – it seems to me unlikely in the extreme that Jesus ate pork. The prohibition on eating pork was part of the Old Law (I am doubting myself… I think it was part of the Sinai Law. It may have been instituted at Moab, i.e., Deuteronomy, but I think it was part of the Law of Sinai.
Jesus kept the Old Law. He didn’t necessarily keep all the rabbinic interpretations of the Old Law, but he did keep the Old Law, so that when He would die, He would die obedient, fulfilling the Old Law. God finally would have had a Son on earth who kept the Old Law, and in Jesus, Israel would finally have been able to keep that Law.
The Old Law was only ever intended to be provisional anyway.
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JeanneH
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Hummmm
So I learned something today, thanks Joe
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R_not
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We keep a count of such things - they do not. Their men can marry up to 4 wives at any one time and they can divorce very easily by just saying three times, “I divorce you”. So, who is more immoral?
And there is this thing as temporary marriages so they can have sex.
They have no child support, in many cases no way for the woman to support herself and her children, etc. So, who is more immoral?
The eating of pigs is such a nonsensical thing since the whole thing was based on the Jews not eating pork. mohammed wanted to convert the Jews so he added that part in his ‘religion’ and he didn’t even know why they didn’t eat pork.
They don’t honor women anyway or else they wouldn’t have sharia laws that give them 1/2 the rights of muslim males, or require them to have 4 witnesses if they get raped, or not do anything when the males ‘honor kill’ them - which includes not only killing them but sometimes torture/death.
I would say that if we are to talk morals - then islam is immoral. But, this is one of the problems - with islam many of our ways are totally opposite of our ways. Their words for innocent only apply to muslims, peace means death, conversion or subjugation of infidelts, aggressors/oppressors only apply when infidels do it to them, etc. They have martyrs when their own kill infidels and happen to die while doing so - we have martyrs when we die for God. These are just two examples of the problems when comparing morals between islam and anyone else.
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R_not
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I almost forgot about the child marriages, and also the kidnappings of non-muslims and forcing them to convert and marry muslim males - which is just another word for slavery. Who is more immoral?
I would say that our meat eating, pork eating society has many more morals over their pigless society.
I would say that our meat eating, pork eating society has many more morals over their pigless society.
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Mea_Culpa
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The answers is that it is HOGWASH. In Acts 10:13 “Rise Peter: kill and eat.” But Peter said, “No, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has cleansed, you must not call common.” In other words, all foods are permitted - and, by analogy, the Gospel is to be preached to the Gentiles.
There are a lot of “general concepts” in the muslim world that are WRONG. They also feel women showing their faces in public is immoral. Should we emulate it?
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LilyM
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But women (and men, I might add - is pork OK for them all of a sudden?) have eaten pork ever since the time of St Peter’s dream at the house of Cornelius - and they certainly aren’t eating more pork now than they used to, so it can’t possibly account for any increase in pornography or divorces in recent times.
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LtTony
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Not just women; all of us.
This is a somewhat common belief among muslims, based on my experience at whyislam. “Filthy, filthy, nasty pig meat. They eat their own feces and urine; carry all sorts of diseases. Why do you not obey God’s law? Is that so difficult? Jesus abstained from pork.”
As for the immoral aspects of swine, check out Dr. Zakir Naik.
wikiislam.com/wiki/Zakir_Naik
“And among people who consume pork, the practice of wife swapping and other forms of promiscuous behaviour is common.”
islamicvoice.com/february.99/zakir.htm
“Pig is the most shameless animal…on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say “you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife.” If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs.”
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=106664&highlight=pork
christianforums.com/t2885502-why-christians-do-eat-pork-despite-its.html&page=1
porkandhealth.org/allaboutpork/nutrition/nutriCompares.htm
A muslim posted that Mozart died from eating pork. Allegedly.
Mark 7:15-23: There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
This is a somewhat common belief among muslims, based on my experience at whyislam. “Filthy, filthy, nasty pig meat. They eat their own feces and urine; carry all sorts of diseases. Why do you not obey God’s law? Is that so difficult? Jesus abstained from pork.”
As for the immoral aspects of swine, check out Dr. Zakir Naik.
wikiislam.com/wiki/Zakir_Naik
“And among people who consume pork, the practice of wife swapping and other forms of promiscuous behaviour is common.”
islamicvoice.com/february.99/zakir.htm
“Pig is the most shameless animal…on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say “you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife.” If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs.”
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=106664&highlight=pork
christianforums.com/t2885502-why-christians-do-eat-pork-despite-its.html&page=1
porkandhealth.org/allaboutpork/nutrition/nutriCompares.htm
A muslim posted that Mozart died from eating pork. Allegedly.
Mark 7:15-23: There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
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ralphinal
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I have not always lead a holy life, and I still sin today. I also eat TONS of pork, and until my health is an issue, I will continue to do so. In any event, I have never thought about wife swapping or any of that, and I have never been to a bar-b-que that ended that way.
If you sin and blaim the food you eat, you are a lier of the highest order. The food did not make you sin, you did it yourself.
Then again, they say passing gas makes you impure. I say it only makes the room impure
If you sin and blaim the food you eat, you are a lier of the highest order. The food did not make you sin, you did it yourself.
Then again, they say passing gas makes you impure. I say it only makes the room impure
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R_not
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Zakir Nakir has the standard definiton of islam by muslims. Since this is not a thread of the pagan religion that mohammed based most of the islamic rites, such as the kabaa, on I won’t go into it.
It was better to forbid the consumption of meat in most of our historical times because the pig contained a worm sometimes, and if the meat was not cooked properly - then the worm was passed onto the person and they would die a painful death.
There is no passing of a spiritual, moral or whatever state of being to a human if they eat pig meat. It is archaic as islam and most of its other laws are.
As for immorality on the rise - it also coinsides to the rise of secularism via TV which many of the secularists pass on their form of hatred, and the control of the secularists in our schools. The Christian bashing that is going on, the taking God out of so many things these days, etc. are all having an effect on what is happening. Look at those 17 girls in the highschool back east - all following some half-baked starlet on TV and her getting pregnant out of wedlock as an example of what I am saying.
We see that with the rise of secularism, there is a rise in socialism. We see this in Europe. And what else do we see in Europe? We see so many braindead people just letting islam run amok - the people just let their crimes against them go unattended, or just change their ways to accommodate a people who have stated they do not want to assimilate to their new host country, but to dominate. They move to Europe and leach off the Europeans by going on welfare, and committing crimes against them which are on the rise.
When a people lose what they are all about and turn to secularism and socialism we see a decay - and that is when islam starts its grab on them.
Instead of learning from what has happened in other countries - Europe, lebanon, Southeast Asia, India, etc - we just think that they are the coolest and we want to follow them. A good example is in health care. They have a ghastly system of healthcare - most countries citizens want to come here to be treated and we are willing to give our system up just to be like them. And that is only one example.
I wrote this on another thread - and it has nothing to do with eating pig:
**I think that to combat islam is to ensure our laws don’t cave to their demands, segregation, and to force them to keep their ‘religion’ at home - or reclassify it as a political movement and then go from there. Otherwise, trying to convert them or anything else - well, you can see the results of that. The only thing that I can say to describe them are zombie-robots on a mission. da’wa.
And da’wa always comes before the violence.
And education of our youth should be #1 and getting them out of our colleges and make sure that their twist on history is replaced by the truth.
And all of this will upset the muslims - and our lefties.
I have several emails to board members of colleges about the MSA - their ties to the muslim brotherhood, and ‘The Project’ documents stating their stealth jihad aimed at our youth.
‘The Project’ documents were found in the early 21st century in Europe and is known by our FBI/CIA. Why they continue to allow the MSA to exist in our schools is beyond me - but it could be due to political correctness. I don’t know.
What is your suggestion as to how to combat islam? Waiting until the violence is in our backyards? I don’t think that should be the solution. Because that is what has happened in every country they migrate to - it ends up in violence against the infidels. The atrocities against the dhimmi populations is mostly not documented on the mainstream media and people usually end out converting in order to get rid of the violence against them. All that does is condemn the children to islam then.**
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Eden
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Contact with najis things brings a Muslim into a state of ritual impurity (najasat). Not only do Muslims think pigs are impure, but they believe non-Muslims are, too:
"84. The following ten things are essentially najis: 1. Urine 2. Faeces 3. Semen 4. Dead body 5. Blood 6. Dog 7. **Pig **8. Kafir 9. Alcoholic liquors 10. The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat *.
108.** The entire body of a Kafir**, including his hair and nails, and all liquid substances of his body, are najis.
"84. The following ten things are essentially najis: 1. Urine 2. Faeces 3. Semen 4. Dead body 5. Blood 6. Dog 7. **Pig **8. Kafir 9. Alcoholic liquors 10. The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat *.
108.** The entire body of a Kafir**, including his hair and nails, and all liquid substances of his body, are najis.
- If the parents, paternal grandmother and paternal grandfather of a minor child are all kafir, that child is najis, except when he is intelligent enough, and professes Islam. When, even one person from his parents or grandparents is a Muslim, the child is Pak (The details will be explained in rule 217).
- A person about whom it is not known whether he is a Muslim or not, and if no signs exist to establish him as a Muslim, he will be considered Pak. But he will not have the privileges of a Muslim, like, he cannot marry a Muslim woman, nor can he be buried in a Muslim cemetery."
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R_not
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That is funny. they would be a-GAS-t at my brothers!
Like muslims don’t fart. right. More taqiyya!
By the way - what is rule 217?
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