Eccleseactral latin

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I would love to learn church Latin. Any books, DadS etc.?
 
If you don’t know Latin at all, I would start off learning classical Latin rather than limiting yourself to books focusing on ecclesiastical Latin. It’s the same language.
 
Blessed_is_He said:
I would love to learn church Latin. Any books, DadS etc.?
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Any first communion missal (pre 1962) is good. As well as any Missal pre 1962-even a few years later because even though there was a “sudden dumping” of the Latin tradition in the mass, the Missals were still being published a few years after until they stopped print on or about 67 or 68.
 
QNDNNDQDCE said:
If you don’t know Latin at all, I would start off learning classical Latin rather than limiting yourself to books focusing on ecclesiastical Latin. It’s the same language.
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The only books I know which teach Ecclesiastical Latin (which is actually much easier than Cicero) are Collier’s book and a book (actually two books and some guides) by Fr. Baumeister “The New Missal Latin.”
 
one other thing while classical latin is different I think they are similar enough that as long as you are aware of the difference in pronunciation you can still get a very good knowledge of latin from a classical latin book as long as you know about the differences.
 
I can’t answer the opening post, but I agree that I would love to learn Latin.

I have not really seen any books where I live that are specialized in Ecclesiastical Latin. However, I bought a first-year Latin book at the bookstore and it’s classical Latin. I do not know the difference between the two…I know that classical Latin is the Latin of the late Roman Empire, but what about Eccl. Latin? Is Eccl. Latin medieval Latin?

Just how different is classical from eccl. Latin? I figure learning classical Latin would be okay to at least help me understand some of the Latin sung in the Church.

Are there any [very] beginner’s Catholic resources on the web where you can read directly from the Vulgate Bible?
 
Tous_Logous said:
I can’t answer the opening post, but I agree that I would love to learn Latin.

I have not really seen any books where I live that are specialized in Ecclesiastical Latin. However, I bought a first-year Latin book at the bookstore and it’s classical Latin. I do not know the difference between the two…I know that classical Latin is the Latin of the late Roman Empire, but what about Eccl. Latin? Is Eccl. Latin medieval Latin?

Just how different is classical from eccl. Latin? I figure learning classical Latin would be okay to at least help me understand some of the Latin sung in the Church.

Are there any [very] beginner’s Catholic resources on the web where you can read directly from the Vulgate Bible?
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  1. vulgate.org/
  2. churchlatin.com/
  3. Family of Saint Jerome
    507 S. Prospect Ave.
    Clearwater, Florida 33756.
    fshcm.com/english.html
    Geared to ecclesiastical (emphasis on Scriptural) Latin,
    text and 22CDs
 
Tous_Logous said:
I do not know the difference between the two…I know that classical Latin is the Latin of the late Roman Empire, but what about Eccl. Latin? Is Eccl. Latin medieval Latin?

Just how different is classical from eccl. Latin? I figure learning classical Latin would be okay to at least help me understand some of the Latin sung in the Church.
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Ecclesiastical Latin has the same vocabulary and grammar as classical Latin. It can be viewed as the Christianized Latin, which brings out different meanings in some cases. “Oratio,” for example, is “prayer” and “gratia” (singular form)is “grace.”

I notice sentence structure is somewhat different in the Vulgate and prayers. English speakers tend to think in subject-verb-object order and can more easily follow that kind of structure in Latin as well.
 
ProVobis said:
Ecclesiastical Latin has the same vocabulary and grammar as classical Latin. It can be viewed as the Christianized Latin, which brings out different meanings in some cases. “Oratio,” for example, is “prayer” and “gratia” (singular form)is “grace.”

I notice sentence structure is somewhat different in the Vulgate and prayers. English speakers tend to think in subject-verb-object order and can more easily follow that kind of structure in Latin as well.
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Do you think learning classical Latin is important at first, at least in understanding the culture of the late Roman Empire (the pagan Roman Empire)? The book I have obviously describes pagan Roman culture and doesn’t really describe the early Christian/Church influence on the language. However, I think it would be important to study Latin in the context of pagan Rome first and see how Christianity influenced the language later on. It also seems to do a good beginner’s job of describing pre-Christian Roman culture and other things.

For what other things would Latin become useful for? I know many medieval documents and modern day encyclicals are written in Latin. I just love the way that Latin sounds, especially in the music of Palestrina.
 
There is no difference between ecclesiastical Latin and classical Latin. They are the same language. The difference is only one of style just as Robinson Crusoe is different from the Great Gatsby.
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Do you think learning classical Latin is important at first, at least in understanding the culture of the late Roman Empire (the pagan Roman Empire?
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Yes, this is a good point. I don’t think it is impossible to understand an ancient culture without studying their language.
 
Tous_Logous said:
Do you think learning classical Latin is important at first, at least in understanding the culture of the late Roman Empire (the pagan Roman Empire)? The book I have obviously describes pagan Roman culture and doesn’t really describe the early Christian/Church influence on the language. However, I think it would be important to study Latin in the context of pagan Rome first and see how Christianity influenced the language later on. It also seems to do a good beginner’s job of describing pre-Christian Roman culture and other things.

For what other things would Latin become useful for? I know many medieval documents and modern day encyclicals are written in Latin. I just love the way that Latin sounds, especially in the music of Palestrina.
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